Weaponsmith Archive

I wouldn't jump on amymik so fast. The overwhelming response to this thread has said that there are many more observations of "moderate successes", not more cases of critical failures. It's not a case where we look bad because the weapons are being destroyed more often by us... just that the life of a weapon has been shortened because there are many more 20% condition loss repairs than 5% condition loss repairs.

This effect *is* generally a good thing for weaponsmiths, and not such a good thing for customers. It will generate more turnover and demand for weapons as a result. But I don't think it's this effect that is really irritating people. It's the fact that weapon repair is so poorly understood and explained by SOE, and when a largely perceived change has taken place yet denied by the devs, the onus is upon the players to disprove it. A good number of smiths wouldn't have any problem if moderate successes were suddenly par for the course. But we don't want to be told that there is nothing different when there are so many people who have seen otherwise.

Reposting this info because the thread I posted it in seems to be the one that didn't get continued attention:


Wookiee Artisan 0003
*non-weaponsmith*
all repairs in my house outside of any city borders

94.356995 Repair tool
45.0 crating station next to me
can't think of anything else other then there was a sand storm outside for part of the repairs

Pulled 17 junk looted weapons off my junk vendor. Just dropping off data, I'll leave you all to decide if it means anything.

1:17 - minor blemishes
12:17 - repaired, but...
3:17 - marginal
1:17 - falls apart

Details
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1. 212/750 -> 495/495
2. 150/750 -> 600/600
3. 523/750 -> 600/600
4. 242/750 -> 600/600
5. 299/750 -> 1/1
6. 458/750 -> 495/495
7. 616/750 -> 600/600
8. 744/750 -> 600/600
9. 339/750 -> 600/600
10. 747/750 -> 600/600
11. 205/750 -> 600/600
12. 683/750 -> 495/495
13. 326/750 -> 600/600
14. 426/750 -> 600/600
15. 604/750 -> 712/712
16. 647/750 -> 600/600
17. 241/750 -> 600/600

Resorted in "how damaged was it" order for my own curiousity. Doesn't show anything other then initial condition really didn't matter much to the outcome inside this small sample (and that 5 of the 17 actually *lost* points in actual condition):

Details
======================
2. 150/750 -> 600/600
11. 205/750 -> 600/600
1. 212/750 -> 495/495
17. 241/750 -> 600/600
4. 242/750 -> 600/600
5. 299/750 -> 1/1
13. 326/750 -> 600/600
9. 339/750 -> 600/600
14. 426/750 -> 600/600
6. 458/750 -> 495/495
3. 523/750 -> 600/600
15. 604/750 -> 712/712

7. 616/750 -> 600/600
16. 647/750 -> 600/600
12. 683/750 -> 495/495
8. 744/750 -> 600/600
10. 747/750 -> 600/600

*kicks this back up*

Repair test run on 20th April 2004

Test subject: identical Survival knives, condition 856/857, serial pagfsr2t
Test tool: 95.34 efficiency identical repair tools, serial hqenkbq6
Location: Rori -4398 -4380 (wilderness), no droid, no skill tapes
Repairs by: MASTER WEAPONSMITH


code for repair results:

M - minor blemish repair, reducing the condition to 814
R - repaired, but reduced condition, reducing the condition to 685
(no other repair results occured)

I have fought some animals with the survival knifes until the condition was reduced by 1 point, then switching to the next knife until I had 9-11 with the same condition. The I healed up and made a run of 9-11 repairs in a row, noting the repair results.

Note: It takes 20-30 minutes to reduce the condition of 10 knives. It has taken me 4 hours of game time to collect these 70 repair results. The time was converted from local time to pacific time.

08:29 am: R R M R R R M M R
08:51 am: R R M R R R R R R R
09:22 am: M R R R M R M R M R
10:23 am: R R M R R R R R M R
11:08 am: M R R R R R R M R M
11:49 am: M R R R R R R R R R
12:22 am: R R R R R R R R R R R


Conclusion:

70 repairs
14 minor blemish repairs (20%)
56 reduced condition repairs (80%)


The results show that repairing is completely bugged. Come on, a master WS getting only 20% "perfect" repairs on weapons that have lost 1 point of condition?

This result shows exactly what all weaponsmiths are experiencing: a mayor reduction of good repair results.

TIME FOR THE DEVS TO ACT

I would be happy if SOE just made a statement that "weapon repairs have been changed to have more reduced condition results".

This way the customers would know that thier "condition reduced" repair is the norm now and not accuse me of using inferior repair tools on them.

I personally have no problem with weapons decaying faster, it means more sales for the entire WS community. I just wish the devs wouldn't stealth change it and make the WS take the brunt of customer outrage.

I could live with these repair results IF they were intended to make those old uber weapons vanish faster.

But the reply Logix got "nothing was changed" just implies a huge BUG, not any intention from their side.

We can discuss if this bug is actually a good thing, but it is still a bug that needs to be fixed. Otherwise the dev was lying to Logix and that would have more serious implications than I would like to think about right now.

I have to bump this, this is important.

Making pre-nerf weapons disappear faster is one thing. Completely destroying a week-old scythe when I'm Master WS, got toolkit, extra repair skill tapes, schematic and sitting inside a 45+ crafting station is just completely uncalled for. THIS kind of random nonsense is why I left UO after over a year. That's somebody's million-credit weapon down the tubes thanx to a stealth nerf or bug.

Has anyone tested if this has changed again with the new publish?

not yet, i will do so today and post tomorrow, weaponsmith toolkit with 100% tools.