Weaponsmith Archive

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Dragon2179 wrote:
Well guys. I am not a long time weaponsmith, tho I am not a completly noob. I am playing master weaponsmith for 3 months now andI think these changes are really nice. In these 3 months I could get my +20 exp suit and almost all specific resources I need, but... only 1/10 of these resources have good stats. My ryll armorph gem has only 60 OQ, diatium copper also around 60 OQ, I could collect only 2k of phrik, when Ifirst started playing and it has not spawned yet again...just to point out a few problems I have. Not to mention, that I cannot find better resources on the market(yes, I also look under "vendor location" almost every day). The thing is, I guess there are a lot more people out there, upcoming ws, as or whatever, or people in the same position where I am, who want to have some fun being a crafter and being able to sell some stuff. But because there are a few monopoles out there, 2-3 weaponsmith, who control the whole ws-market, I cannot sell any of my high-lvl weapons from my vendor. The only things I am able to sell at the moment are cl 5-14 weapons I put into the Bazaar of Mos Eisley every day lol...I even doubt, that the 10% increase in resource quality will have a great effect on the market. 66% is not a big difference to 60%. Please be kind and look the whole change from a different perspective once

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Without trying to cause an arguement - if your 60% turns to 66%, then you are still not going to sellif people are churning out weapons made with 100% resources - and believe me a LOT of WS have mostly 91% or higher resources as it is so they will.

And just say you were one of those with 91% or higher resources... so now you can make "perfect" weapons. What then? Where is the improvement to 100%? There isnt any.

Nothing to improve or strive for = boring, generic.... eventually everyone selling "Brand X"weapons.

I read everything and realized one thing

Where did you see that the 10% buff on ressource quality will not allow to go over the 1000 cap?

If there is a buff, an OQ1000 ressource should be considered as OQ1100 while crafting.

So that the best ressource possible will remain the best.


So tell me where you saw that a OQ1000 ressource will not be considered as OQ1100 while using it in a craft.


I think your only fear is because current cap on ressources quality is 1000, but why shouldn't the system be able to deal with 110% quality instead of 100% ?

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Dragon2179 wrote:
Well guys. I am not a long time weaponsmith, tho I am not a completly noob. I am playing master weaponsmith for 3 months now andI think these changes are really nice. In these 3 months I could get my +20 exp suit and almost all specific resources I need, but... only 1/10 of these resources have good stats. My ryll armorph gem has only 60 OQ, diatium copper also around 60 OQ, I could collect only 2k of phrik, when Ifirst started playing and it has not spawned yet again...just to point out a few problems I have. Not to mention, that I cannot find better resources on the market(yes, I also look under "vendor location" almost every day). The thing is, I guess there are a lot more people out there, upcoming ws, as or whatever, or people in the same position where I am, who want to have some fun being a crafter and being able to sell some stuff. But because there are a few monopoles out there, 2-3 weaponsmith, who control the whole ws-market, I cannot sell any of my high-lvl weapons from my vendor. The only things I am able to sell at the moment are cl 5-14 weapons I put into the Bazaar of Mos Eisley every day lol...I even doubt, that the 10% increase in resource quality will have a great effect on the market. 66% is not a big difference to 60%. Please be kind and look the whole change from a different perspective once

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Aye. Rather true at least far as WS is concerned. I mean hell even with WS.

For example far as I can figgure from talking to AS on Bria who are making capped assault armor (Whcih i'm only 120 poitns away from. Which going by resists precentages. Isnt even worth worring about. But you know players. every poitn counts!) I need obiate to cap it out. Now... that spawned LONG before I started playing. Nothing like it in the way of steel has spawned since. When you can find it (And it's rare as hell now) it's ultra expensive. And usually only in very small quantities (say.. 3k tops). It also happens to be one fo the best WS resources to boot. So there's alot of competiation for it.

Also resoruce deeds tend to run out eventually and even thsoe fetch 3-5mil on bria atm. So yeah...

But because players are spoiled by capped this and capped that form the very tiny handful of smiths (Be it weapon or armor) out there who were able to horde massive quantities of these resources or some how lucked out and got a ton from a smith who quit. The rest of us are left out in the cold. And alot of players wont buy from us because of a tiny tiny negiligible difference. (in my case I've had alot of players complain about my assault cores. Evne though they are as I said. Only 120 off the cap. And it's all but impossible for me to cap them out). Now witht h echanges. Likely I will be able to hit the cap. And not just the 5-6 smiths who are the ultra rich ultra elite etc.

I can see where it comes from. It's all SOE's 'level the playingfield' stuff. Everyone will have their own oppinions on the matter of course. But still. Say you have those rare resources. Those that let you hit the caps or what ever. What happens when you eventually run out and nothing quite as good ever spawns again? Well at least with these buffs you still stand a chance of comming close to if not matching what you once made before. Besides there's still some difference in how a weapon is experimented that sets a WS appart. There are those that ignore SAC and try to lure in customers with DPS and damage. Never mind their clients will wind up unable to fire in 3 seconds because of insane SAC cost.

And well armor is just a joke. An armorsmith is now purely only as good as the resources they can get their hands on. No skill involved. Max out one line and your golden. The rest (Condition) is just gravy that gets ignored half the time anyway.

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Dragon2179 wrote:
Well guys. I am not a long time weaponsmith, tho I am not a completly noob. I am playing master weaponsmith for 3 months now and I think these changes are really nice. In these 3 months I could get my +20 exp suit and almost all specific resources I need, but... only 1/10 of these resources have good stats. My ryll armorph gem has only 60 OQ, diatium copper also around 60 OQ, I could collect only 2k of phrik, when I first started playing and it has not spawned yet again...just to point out a few problems I have. Not to mention, that I cannot find better resources on the market(yes, I also look under "vendor location" almost every day). The thing is, I guess there are a lot more people out there, upcoming ws, as or whatever, or people in the same position where I am, who want to have some fun being a crafter and being able to sell some stuff. But because there are a few monopoles out there, 2-3 weaponsmith, who control the whole ws-market, I cannot sell any of my high-lvl weapons from my vendor. The only things I am able to sell at the moment are cl 5-14 weapons I put into the Bazaar of Mos Eisley every day lol...I even doubt, that the 10% increase in resource quality will have a great effect on the market. 66% is not a big difference to 60%. Please be kind and look the whole change from a different perspective once

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And just where do you think we ALL started? I didn't create my char on "Lucky Weaponsmith Day" and log in to a house full of server best. It took me a solid year, and I'm still working on some resources.

Your main problem as a new smith is a leveling and experience gain system that makes low level weapons a one day throwaway commodity, and makes the level 54 weapons market the ONLY game there is. Now guess what, with resources homogienized high end loot becomes the determinent, and how is a new smith going to compete for those?

Its never been about money, considering my combat char sold one Pearl for 30million creds. It's about striving and working to make the very best weapons you can. I had a wall of "my best" pre CU. Post CU I deleted them all and started over. Now I get to start again. Its becoming very frustrating to play a game where a line of code can destroy the pinnicle landmarks of this profession.

The only competition will be in price. As most long term crafters have good stocks they will be able to mass produce 100% base weapons with second or even third best resources. Plus, they'll have the financial muscle to sell weapons for 1 cred or even give them away. Great for the buyer... but evening out the playing field? I don't think so.

One thing is for certain, if it hits live as it stands then even a nerf afterwards won't make any difference at all, everyone will already have tons of schems pre-prepared for every weapon and component they need.

Message Edited by Dragon2179 on 08-25-2005 03:13 PM

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Muzz wrote:

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Heorot wrote:

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Mor-Dan wrote:

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EdOWar wrote:

If the Devs want to limit resource hoarding, I can think of a lot of better ways to do it.

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agreed.

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Mor-Dan, is this change inevitable? On the Dancer forums, Panthu is talking about it, but isnt even discussing the issues, I haven't seen any Dev post anything about this.

Is this the great Armorsmith dumbing down all over again? Its going to happend despite any discussion anywhere with the Devs?

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In my opinion Panthu's posts aren't worth reading or responding to. They are inflammatory and are only concerned with that fact that it is benficial to them. The fact it's harmful to quite a large section of other players is of no concern.

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qfe

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Eulbobo wrote:
I read everything and realized one thing

Where did you see that the 10% buff on ressource quality will not allow to go over the 1000 cap?

If there is a buff, an OQ1000 ressource should be considered as OQ1100 while crafting.

So that the best ressource possible will remain the best.


So tell me where you saw that a OQ1000 ressource will not be considered as OQ1100 while using it in a craft.


I think your only fear is because current cap on ressources quality is 1000, but why shouldn't the system be able to deal with 110% quality instead of 100% ?

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it considers the cap over 1000 when you apply the 10 percent to the resources when doing the calculations.

but the experimental percentage cap remains 100 percent. so this actually makes it worse and even easier to hit 100 percent. your over 1000s can cover a couple close to 1000s. check the thread in the dancer forum, theres a hard number example supporting this.

not too surprisingly they also thought going over 1000 was a good thing for crafters but who cares when you cant experiment to 110 percent.

*shakes head*

/sigh

Well this is what the Dancer Correspondent said...

"As a crafter and a dancer, I would like to see them go in and then adjusted depending upon how they actually effect play on Live rather than based upon player speculation."

I just hope that kind of "logic" doesn't get passed on to the Devs.

I've given up trying reasoned debates on that forum. The tired old 'greedy crafter' cliches are being trotted out, they refuse to recognise legitimate concerns and threaten to lock the thread when they have no reasonable response to these concerns.

Insular Correspondents like this really do their professions and the people they represent no favours.

Even as a new upcoming smith I wouldnt want this. If you're here for the money then well good luck to you, if you're here liike 90% of the long-time weaponsmiths for a challenge, then this pretty much changes the goal from being the bulls-eye to just hitting the dart board. No longer do you strive for perfection you just strive for 91%. What fun is that?