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Thread: Weaponsmith ethics question from a customer
you're still a conman....there's no way you can talk yourself out of it...
charging 1 mil AND stealing loot components = you're a scamming tard
This guy is an outright cheat!
I had an extra power cell the other day after crafting a Flamer for a client. It was a really nice cell +188 dmg. we hadn't agreed on price before crafting so I was hoping that he'd give it to me. I offered to take the cell as compensation or he could pay for the flamer and keep the cell. He decided that he wanted a DL 44 made with the remaining cell (i would have made a scatter).
I would have rather had the cell then the cost that I charge for crafting when clients provide the components. But he's the client and I would never consider taking advantage of any of my clients! Any weaponsmith that wouldcheat his clients should be banned from the galaxy!
I love the idea of placing an AFK toon by his shop and spamming that he's a cheater. You might get in trouble for greiving but it'd be worth it IMO. i'd be sure to include the url to this thread if you spam at his shop.
Atz_Breh wrote:
first of all i don´t care about any of your forum posts, some nerd tried to ruin my buisness before coz he couldn´t place a order and failed miserably, i even got2 orders for RIS armor coz of his post
2 days after the assembly you emailed me about the remaining scopes i told you i allready used them in other weapons while assuming u don´t want any of them back as u didn´t say anything about the scopes when i made the weapons, if u said u want the scopes back i´d of courz given them back...
i was afk for the whole weekend so i didn´t reply to your emails...now i asked you what u want in exchange for the scopes, you said u don´t want money, u want equivalent scopes back, i told u that i can´t provide the scopes...and now you make this post
i offered money, you don´t want it,...so:
i won´t deal with you anymore...
i may be ignorant but i don´t deal with ppl that try to flame on the forums anymore
this doesn´t affect all my other customers wich are 100% satisfied with some of the finest weapons on ahazi...
Whatever happened to the buyer being responsible for knowing what he was buying??? You guys sure are quick to jump on and condemn the WS. Even though the price was high, it sounds like it was agreed on and you can't just decide you don't like it anymore after you've paid it. I'd consider the price to be a little steep buy the buyer paid for it so that's his responsibility to know what he's paying for. I think the extra scopes are just a lack of communication and some bad luck, he wouldn't be in business now if he was out to cheat everyone. But it's not like the scopes actually do anything for you in combat, tests I've seen show they really don't matter.
Message Edited by WCjtace on 10-04-2005 01:26 PM
WCjtace wrote:
Whatever happened to the buyer being responsible for knowing what he was buying??? You guys sure are quick to jump on and condemn the WS. I'd consider the price to be a little steep buy the buyer paid for it so that's his responsibility to know what he's paying for. I think the extra scopes are just a lack of communication and some bad luck. But it's not like the scopes actually do anything for you in combat, tests I've seen show they really don't matter.
Whether they are effective or not is not the point, if someone steals something from you, they should be held accountable. This is about ethics, or the lack thereof, not whether or not they worked
WCjtace wrote:
Whatever happened to the buyer being responsible for knowing what he was buying??? You guys sure are quick to jump on and condemn the WS. Even though the price was high, it sounds like it was agreed on and you can't just decide you don't like it anymore after you've paid it. I'd consider the price to be a little steep buy the buyer paid for it so that's his responsibility to know what he's paying for. I think the extra scopes are just a lack of communication and some bad luck, he wouldn't be in business now if he was out to cheat everyone. But it's not like the scopes actually do anything for you in combat, tests I've seen show they really don't matter.
Message Edited by WCjtace on 10-04-200501:26 PM
WCjtace wrote:
Unprofessional, yes for sure. I don't deny the customer got taken advantage of. I'm just dissapointed the buyer didn't exercise due dilligence, and then several days after the fact go back and say oh yeah you screwed me, pay up. Once a deals done, it's done, a few hours is one thing, but a few days...
If you go back through the post, I started trying to contact him at once. He was "AFK" for several days or so he says
Message Edited by Elorha on 10-04-2005 02:15 PM
WCjtace wrote:
But it's not like the scopes actually do anything for you in combat, tests I've seen show they really don't matter.
Message Edited by WCjtace on 10-04-2005 01:26 PM
You wouldn't have a NS bicep would you? That doesn't do anything for ya, if you could be so kind as to offer give it to me I'd be very grateful.
I would make sure you always get everything that you want back, back before you pay him and accept the weapon. Once that happens, I would consider the deal completeand it's much more difficult to modify the deal after that.
Shug, actually I know a friend who no longer plays that has one. 
hmm, this is interesting. I think its a mis communication between client and crafter.
I crafted full time for about 1.5 years (i.e. I think i went to 3-4 planets during those 1.5 years), then took some time off, and restarted on a very part time basis only for very high end weapons. i try not to accept custom crafts anymore because of the need to keep track of what is made, where the parts are etc. (i am cursed with full inventory problems lol!). however, where i do take parts,i make the weapon then usually throw it in a factory for them to pick up unless they are nearby. Some regular customers provide me with all their bh loot because they don't need credits and simply want a high end weaponsmith to provide them with whatever weapons they wish on a priority basis at no cost.
I assume that I am dealing with sophisticated clients. they request specific weapons, with specific stats usually. If i had to give a number, i'd assume that 95% of the people I deal with know exactly what is needed in the weapons they request. I assume the material they drop off is for the weapon and the additional (and it could be anything. ..and i really mean anything to do with weaponsmithing...sometimes cubes, sometimes casings, etc. material irrelevant to their weapon, sometimes cells, sometimes accuracy scopes) are meant as payment.sometimes they are so happy at getting the weapon they provide a tip, sometimes they are happy at getting the weapon and they don't provide a tip. Sometimes people ask me about custom crafts and i say whatever u think is fair is fine with me. thats my favorite line as you are guaranteed a happy customer. I don't craft for a profit, i craft because I love it. sometimes we talk about parts sometimes we talk about credits. I have never had a single complaint that i can ever recall, and Ive made a lot of weapons for a lot of people over the years. When we still had crit fails, if i critted on krayt, i always felt so bad i replaced the tissue for free without telling the customers. That included replacing the tissues for a krayt t21 (at a cost of many millions for 11 identical tissues), for a 100k job heh!. Those were the fun days. All I'm saying is I don't know if I would have automatically assumed that scopes, even high accuracy ones (these are not 60+),dropped off weren't payment for a high end custom craft. I often get old customers, and even people whos names i don't recognize dropping off bags of parts saying they dont' want any of it and to keep what is good and delete what isn't. I don't think the fact that the thread's crafter initially kept the scopesmeant he was dishonest. I think where the problemlies is in the follow up...i.e. when the customer talked to the crafter and the crafter realized there was a problem. anyway, just my opinion.