Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: REMOVE AP1 from Jawa Ion Rifle
Also I want to point out that not a single person herehas evenread my first post as it is not visible, all it is is the title apparently, and thats the sort of response i get.
Numb nizos listen.
AP1 Vrse AR1= 0 extra damage
AP 1 Vrse AR 0 = 0 extra damage
That means there is no Armor percing bonus, that means on a vulnerability or PSG we deal no extra damage. All taking away my AP 1 is going to do is make it harder for me to kill Kimos with it(now they have 35% Stun resist and AR 2). It has no effect on PVP, only PVE I can tell you have never used AP weapons.
Logix wrote:
You're better off not shelling out the insane amount of cash for some stun protection because it will only provide such a miniscule decrease to damage. Most are under the assumption that the AP1 damage bonus still kicks in even if they're vulnerable [and thus the cry for the Jawa Ion nerf], which it does not. So the AP1 damage bonus doesn't even matter, it's not giving any huge increase in either situation.You're not going to die a hundred times faster if you don't have uber Composite, which seemed to be the point implied by the original post. Sorry for the confusion.
The reason i suggested a nerf is because its far to easy to get killed by an ion rifle in any given situation, theres noviable way to defend against it besides hiding behind a wall or running, unless you can delay him to death or kill him faster than a few shots.
However AP1 on the jawa ion rifle makes it doubly effective, enough said. If it wasnt AP1 there would be at least half means of defending against it with stun layers instead of being next to retarded to a rifleman using this weapon effectively.
It shouldnt be hard to figure out that the ap1 is the problem with this weapon, if the stun baton or tangle pistol were AP1 we would be right back in the same boat, with an overpowered doubly effective armor negating weapon.
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Hehe running away from a riflemen hey! I wish more ppl did that in PvP it would make my life so much easier! (Rifleman have sucky accuracy when things are close and moving)!
Think I'm going to start making a batch of Cannabi Ion Rifles now 
What were they thinking, not making an armor that defends against every type of damage? (Dreams of Mandalorian (sp)) Why bother having multiple options for classes? Oh that’s right if they didn't someone would whine....
How dare they make a weapon that does 1/2 the damage as a laser rifle that is useful? This is a master WS craftable weapon. That is given at the top level of rifle abilities rather then the second tier of marksman. Given the range and speed mods at that level you'd get owned by most pistol wielders of same level in marksman. They would walk up to 10 meters and watch you miss one shot after another. All the time spamming what few specials they have at little to no HAM cost. It’s a fast firing low damage rifle that requires some skill to use.
It’s an energy oriented attack from what I understand. Seems more of a nervous system malfunction kind of energy rather then the blaster kind of big hit with power. Think of it as a ranged stun gun without the requirement of conductivity with skin. Ever seen any one hit with one? They don't really look happy (nasty bruises too). Just because a Jawa shot a bot with it doesn't mean it wouldn’t do similar damage to a person.
Should we remove the AP3 on a T21 since why would a small cannon have armor piercing? Why would a high powered riffle cause extra damage to unarmored individual? Might we beg that all small hand guns have Armor piercing why shouldn't my "insert favorite hand gun here" penetrate that Kevlar ballistic fortified vest? I mean come on that high powered .50 cal rifle spreads it like butter?
While we're on the subject of weapons, professions and armor what is it that you use? Pistol, LLC, Carbine, VK, or Flamer? Its good to know where your point of view is coming from. Notice I didn't list rifles as you would know most of what I'm saying if you used them. You would know that rifleman speed and accuracy are poor till master level. If your having a problem with a master of an elite combat profession smacking you around in PvP try this thread on that board and see where it gets you.
Read this post you bloody noob, it explains how AP works!
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=rifleman&message.id=20710#M20710
Especially read what is in blue at the Bottom, I will quote if for you in the next post.
Sorry little angry when ignored.
"He's correct in this case. If a critter is "vulnerable", the Base Damage is not affected by anything except resistances. This means that an AP0 weapon against an AR1 critter with appropriate vulnerabilities (e.g. Vulnerable to Energy vs. an Energy weapon) will not suffer any damage reduction from the Base Damage, but it also means that an AP3 weapon against an AR1 critter with appropriate vulnerabilities will not get a damage bonus from the Armor Piercing."
IF YOU HAVE A VULNERABILITY TO STUN THEIR IS NO AP BONUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU USE A AP 1 WEAPON VERSE A AR 1 WEAPON THEIR IS NO AP BONUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I RUBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF VOLSTEDGRIDBAN "KEEPER OF THE PHYSICS OF MMORPG'S"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think some people are missing the point, the problem that i am trying to get addressed is simpy the strength and effectiveness of the jawa ion rifle, i'm not trying to get some friggin 90% stun composite, and i dont know why anybody would jump to the conclusion that i was.
Every single person keeps throwing AP/AR equations and useless information in my face, but none of this has to do with the uncanny effectiveness of the jawa ion rifle, whether it be too high damage, too fast a rifle, or the fact that its kraytable, its currently overpowered. Changing it to AP0 would be one way of doing it, but i'm getting information that doesnt address the problem, all thats being said is we dont want AP1 removed because we dont think it will make a difference if thats why people keep shoving the equations down my throat.
Not a single person has mentioned getting a jawa ion rifle effectively beingused, so i guess its not an effective weapon, right?And here within lies the problem no mentions how fast its able to kill, or even mention in being used in combat.
Additionally I would sure as hell hope that people are referring to mastery level to say the least, theres absoultely no point in arguing about PvP profession standingsagainst someone half your skill level.
I myself have mastered commando, smuggler, pistoleer, carbineer, tailor, marksman, brawler, scout, artisan, entertainer, and medic, for holos or for pleasure, and i am currently remastering pistoleer and fencer, and have dabbled in TK. So for those of you in question you can consider it a well rounded standpoint, and i've yet to be responded with any insightful information.
Go ahead and troll once more for those who please, just quit telling me stuff I already know, we're talking about balance issues here, not numbers and math.
Kershakk wrote:
Hrm. Take your opinion of Jawa Ion Rifles, and apply it to just about every weapon in the game, and that's a wookiee's life. So out of curiousity, what is your opinion on the balance for wookiees there?
Sorry i strongly believe Wookiees got it up the butt (and soe should do something about it), and so do 75% of the wookiees i know, the other 25% are merely playing the role out.