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Thread: Darth Maul: Teras Kasi?
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-11-2004 11:56 PM
Fortunately the law believes as I do which is why copyright laws and intellectual property exist.
"You said that you believe whatever happens within the EU is canon unless George Lucas says otherwise"
Wrong. Show me where I said EU and canon were the same. You're now trying to make up things I never said. Shame.
"EU and canon i've come to find out are two different things."
You should have "come to find it out" when I told you. I quoted Lucasfilm themselves when I showed you the definition of canon. Good grief have you been ignoring my posts up until now?
And you keep saying that George "went on record" with things like accepting Fett's death, but unlike me you've failed to show any evidence of this.
The_Mandalorian316 wrote:
I take EU into consideration. The fact (fact, not opinion) is that Star Wars is a product of George Lucas and that according to its creator, and his company (Lucasfilms) what is *canon* is official. I accept the EU and enjoy it greatly, but where EU and canon conflict it is canon that holds sway.
You take EU in consideration of canon, or you just read on the EU, consider it canon upuntil George Lucas says isnt his creation? Because in EU, Boba Fett's survival is canon within the EU.
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-08-2004 08:02 PM
Right there Atama. Thats where you said it. My question was Do you accept the Expanded Universe as factual information to the Star Wars continuity unless George Lucas has something to say about it, and you said yes. I actually tried to make sure if thats what you were saying at first, which is why i asked to restate that. But, i guess i misunderstood, lets move on.
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20021202.html
You gonna tell me that StarWars.com is bsing on this too?
I've come to realize when you told me and i sought out the information for myself. I really dont mind admitting that i'm wrong. I'm just trying to expand my knowledge of Star Wars at all times, even now. You helped me understand the difference between hard canon and Expanded Universe and Expanded Universe canon (whats canon within the EU).
http://www.st-v-sw.net/olde/STSWEUII.html
http://www.st-v-sw.net/olde/STSWLuc.html
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-12-2004 10:52 AM
And no I don't say Starwars.com is BSing in that, since it disproves your entire point. Fett is dead.
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-12-2004 11:07 AM
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-12-2004 06:41 PM
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-13-2004 07:10 PM
"Now i see that you might say George only approved Fett's return for the EU, but then there is also the information I had about George Lucas thinking about shooting a scene where Boba Fett crawls out of the pit for the DVDs. The only reason he didnt do it was because it didnt fit in with the story he said. For the sake of Fett fans, he also added Boba Fett into episode 2, albeit at a younger age."
Yes, that's what I'm saying. According to the "official story" he's dead.
I'll give you another example of EU and canon conflicting. Dark Horse had a great series called Dark Empire. It was Lucasarts-approved EU and a great story. It took place sometime after Return of the Jedi, and in it you find out that Palpatine had cloned himself. Luke agrees to become Palpatine's student and becomes a Sith, but only so that he can betray and destroy the Emperor. The Dark Side is almost too strong for him though, and he almost falls completely but at the end he and Leia fight together to beat him.
The thing is, that story was done before Episode I came out. In that story you see Palpatine as a young man in the Republic Senate during flashbacks as he rose to power and became the Emperor. The story claimed that the Dark Side prematurely aged Palpatine. It also claimed that Palpatine learned Sith powers through a holocron and never was a true Sith. We know that according to canon that's all wrong, we saw in Episode I that Palpatine was already fairly old even before becoming the Emperor, and that he was a full-fledged Sith (Darth Sidious).
It just goes to show that just because Lucasarts approves something, that doesn't make it official. But I still love the EU stuff, I read a lot of it, and where it doesn't conflict with canon you can assume it to be true.
Atama wrote:
"Now i see that you might say George only approved Fett's return for the EU, but then there is also the information I had about George Lucas thinking about shooting a scene where Boba Fett crawls out of the pit for the DVDs. The only reason he didnt do it was because it didnt fit in with the story he said. For the sake of Fett fans, he also added Boba Fett into episode 2, albeit at a younger age."
Yes, that's what I'm saying. According to the "official story" he's dead.
I'll give you another example of EU and canon conflicting. Dark Horse had a great series called Dark Empire. It was Lucasarts-approved EU and a great story. It took place sometime after Return of the Jedi, and in it you find out that Palpatine had cloned himself. Luke agrees to become Palpatine's student and becomes a Sith, but only so that he can betray and destroy the Emperor. The Dark Side is almost too strong for him though, and he almost falls completely but at the end he and Leia fight together to beat him.
The thing is, that story was done before Episode I came out. In that story you see Palpatine as a young man in the Republic Senate during flashbacks as he rose to power and became the Emperor. The story claimed that the Dark Side prematurely aged Palpatine. It also claimed that Palpatine learned Sith powers through a holocron and never was a true Sith. We know that according to canon that's all wrong, we saw in Episode I that Palpatine was already fairly old even before becoming the Emperor, and that he was a full-fledged Sith (Darth Sidious).
It just goes to show that just because Lucasarts approves something, that doesn't make it official. But I still love the EU stuff, I read a lot of it, and where it doesn't conflict with canon you can assume it to be true.
Hmm, ok Atama, good point.
Can you tell me what Boba Fett's role was in Dark Empire? I remember him coming back in new armor or something of the sort. Please explain though, because i havent gotten the chance to read that series (so many i want to read but havent gotten around to)
ASIDE FROM THAT:
Iunderstand what you're saying, but the overall story is whats counted when it comes to continuity in the EU. The old Marvel series is considered continuity despite how many of its elements dont hold up with the current continuity information we have now, this is why Lucasbooks allows authors to refer to events that may have happened in it every now and then, so while i disagree that it'd ever be somethingLucas would write for7 8 and 9(which there wont be) its part of continuity nonetheless just not canon, so ok i understand.
So the verdict then is Boba Fett being alive is part of continuity, but just isnt canon.My logic for saying this is that a lot of continuity EU that comes out usually involves Boba Fett, like the Yuuzahn Vong series. (what were your thoughts on that series?) And while its canonical that Boba Fett is dead, George allowed him to live through continuity by approving his return.
Boba Fett is part of continuity, but as George Lucas has said, he considers the EU and what hes written to be divergent, parralel universes. So while the EU is continuity for the story, the overall grounded information is what he has written.Despite the bottom line that Fett died in Episode 6, he was approved to be a part of continuity and his life in the EU is continuity. I suppose that you've been saying this all along, but just to make sure, do you agree?
I honestly dont mind it that Fett's death was canonical, like i said before, but its just that theres so muchjumbled up information out there that its hard to really know whats going on. Sometimes i look at a Lucas interview and wonder if he even knows what hes talking about.
As i've said before, I followwhat information is in the EU and i decipher it formyself to be in my view of definite information.
Im with you on this too, there are amany bizarre things that EU authors have written that if Lucas's canonical fims dont agree with, i discount and dont bother with. But the only thing i accept is the life of Boba Fett because Boba Fett and Dash Rendar are the reasons for me being a Star Wars fan in the first place. Boba Fett and the Mandalorian concepts are practically the backbone of the SW fandom and EU, from what i've seen. And when it all comes down to it, i really dont think Boba Fett escaping the sarlacc pit is all that bogus anyway. I mean, he had a jetpack and missiles attached to his armor, he'd be the first person to escape in my honest opinion.
When it all comes down to it, you were in fact right and it is canonical that Boba Fett is dead, yet alive in Expanded Universe continuity, the parrallel universe in which various writers contribute to the community.
So you win and I humbly accept defeat 
Message Edited by The_Mandalorian316 on 12-15-2004 12:49 AM
"Can you tell me what Boba Fett's role was in Dark Empire?"
I can't remember... I think he *may* have been in it near the beginning. I think I remember Leia and Han running from bounty hunters near the beginning of the story, but I might be thinking of another comic. *blush*
One cool part of Dark Empire was Luke deflecting a shot from an AT-AT with his hand back at the AT-AT's head and blowing it up. Man I should try to find that comic again.
"So the verdict then is Boba Fett being alive is part of continuity, but just isnt canon."
I guess you can say that.
"So you win and I humbly accept defeat"
Bah, it's a discussion, not a competition. Nobody "wins" a discussion, or loses. It's just people talking.
