Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: DEVS! TKA robes similar to Jedi Robes. Would work for all brawler classes and advanced classes.
EmbracerOfDarkness
Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:02 am
#27
The "burden of proof" as they say, is not on me. I asked first. Nice try though.
KimAndre
Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:14 pm
#28
I hate armor, and would love to be able to wear clothes instead... Make the armorsmith makes some armor enhancement that the tailors can use to enhance clothing and give it some protections. Atleast three classes would be happy with this I think.. atleast the tailors who can make some real cash!
Dont care to much about the Gi tough.. To real life for my liking...
Smuggler4ever
Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:21 pm
#29
EmbracerOfDarkness wrote:
Sticking to the topic... Find me a quote in any Star Wars book which talks about the Teräs Käsi artists having dedicated robes and I'll give the slightest crap. Until I see that, you're all just trying to be Bruce Lee.
Why the negative attitude? Just because we're thinking something that goes along with physics and trying to develop it in a good way (i.e. not being able to flip around so much with heavy armor, thus having a distinguished robe to offset the loss), doesn't mean you have to be in here bashing us. If you don't give the slightest crap, why are you here?
josfe
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:56 am
#30
In all honesty this idea seems more like an idea that is ironically timed well with the up comming combat balance. So much so that in my opinion it seems to be an idea to skirt around the up comming armor "nerf" as it were.Or as an attempt to skip past the whole crafter community (yea that'll go over well).
"Martial Artists Don't Wear Armor", isan incorrect statement. You ever seen a martial arts tournament? Those guys are wearing padding for 2 purposes so they don't get hurt and so they don't hurt others. While the elite black belts may fight with little to no padding their opponent is not using a bow and arrow, gun, or various other projectile weapons. Lets take for instance samurai, while these warriors were most well known for their swordsman capabilities they were also accomplished martial artists. And even they saw the need to wear armor. I think most of you are thinking about "ninjas" when this non-armored suggestion came about. Ninja's are a completely different species all togeather, ninjas typically used disguise and weapons that seemed like ordinary working tools to kill their opponents. Teras Kasi Masters don't sneak around behind our opponents and slice their throats, we don't jump off of roof tops and hide in dark alleys waiting for our prey. At least not in this game. The reason you don't see martial artists wearing armor is simply due to the fact that our martial artists aren't out policing the streets, They aren't out fighting in iraq in their karate outfits, and they aren't being shot at by bullets. Mobility is precious to a martial artist, however mobility is useless if your laying on the ground in a pool of blood after being shot. Teras Kasi Artists are not "martial artists" but warriors, similar to the samurai. Real warriors would do anything required to protect themselves so that they could take out the enemy, including wearing "bulky and heavy" armor.
Not to mention I'd like to see you explain to all the TKA's out there now that the armor that they paid 150k or more for is now completely useless. So now they need to buy gi's or robes.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the removal of armor will be bad for our profession. Armor plays a huge role in this game, and by removing the armor you'll suffer the consequences of not being able to use armor skill attachments, or alot of the high end loot drops such as kryat scales/night sister shards. You won't be able to wear new armor when it's introduced into the game, and you won't be able to wear your old armor that you've paid an arm and a leg for. There is absolutely no solution that will solve these noted problems.
If you want to play the game with no armor simply remove it and get buffed. That's how I've been playing the game since I got TKM back in november.
Xeranx
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:34 am
#31
josfe wrote:
In all honesty this idea seems more like an idea that is ironically timed well with the up comming combat balance. So much so that in my opinion it seems to be an idea to skirt around the up comming armor "nerf" as it were.Or as an attempt to skip past the whole crafter community (yea that'll go over well).
"Martial Artists Don't Wear Armor", isan incorrect statement. You ever seen a martial arts tournament? Those guys are wearing padding for 2 purposes so they don't get hurt and so they don't hurt others. While the elite black belts may fight with little to no padding their opponent is not using a bow and arrow, gun, or various other projectile weapons. Lets take for instance samurai, while these warriors were most well known for their swordsman capabilities they were also accomplished martial artists. And even they saw the need to wear armor. I think most of you are thinking about "ninjas" when this non-armored suggestion came about. Ninja's are a completely different species all togeather, ninjas typically used disguise and weapons that seemed like ordinary working tools to kill their opponents. Teras Kasi Masters don't sneak around behind our opponents and slice their throats, we don't jump off of roof tops and hide in dark alleys waiting for our prey. At least not in this game. The reason you don't see martial artists wearing armor is simply due to the fact that our martial artists aren't out policing the streets, They aren't out fighting in iraq in their karate outfits, and they aren't being shot at by bullets. Mobility is precious to a martial artist, however mobility is useless if your laying on the ground in a pool of blood after being shot. Teras Kasi Artists are not "martial artists" but warriors, similar to the samurai. Real warriors would do anything required to protect themselves so that they could take out the enemy, including wearing "bulky and heavy" armor.
Not to mention I'd like to see you explain to all the TKA's out there now that the armor that they paid 150k or more for is now completely useless. So now they need to buy gi's or robes.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the removal of armor will be bad for our profession. Armor plays a huge role in this game, and by removing the armor you'll suffer the consequences of not being able to use armor skill attachments, or alot of the high end loot drops such as kryat scales/night sister shards. You won't be able to wear new armor when it's introduced into the game, and you won't be able to wear your old armor that you've paid an arm and a leg for. There is absolutely no solution that will solve these noted problems.
If you want to play the game with no armor simply remove it and get buffed. That's how I've been playing the game since I got TKM back in november.
You said it...martial artists wear padding in tournaments, but what about when they're out in the street not participating in a sanctioned event. Have you seen some of the old martial arts movies? Some guards were swordsman, but not everyone wore armor. Even a few fought swordsmen unarmed and unarmored and some still came out on top. You may say it's just movies, but I mentioned old martial arts films that held close to reality.
Message Edited by Xeranx on 06-14-2004 09:35 AM
EmbracerOfDarkness
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:40 am
#32
Smuggler4ever : "Why the negative attitude? Just because we're thinking something that goes along with physics and trying to develop it in a good way (i.e. not being able to flip around so much with heavy armor, thus having a distinguished robe to offset the loss), doesn't mean you have to be in here bashing us. If you don't give the slightest crap, why are you here?"
"I know that most people who want "tka robes" don't give the slightest crap about physics, they just want to look like ninjas. Most of these people, I have noticed, are the people who constantly wear "decorative vest" and "two-tone skirt".
That's all I have to say on the subject, it's going to turn into a flame-fest. I've made my point, it's up to those who don't like it to ignore it.
magustoad
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:48 am
#33
Robes with built in mitigation bonuses instead of armour, or mabye a new type of armour entirely.
NO modern Gi. I don't want to look like some Tae kwon do (take one's dough) nance iiinnnn sppppaaaccceee! 
YES to cool toys for tk, NO to real life uniforms.
josfe
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:53 am
#34
You said it...martial artists wear padding in tournaments, but what about when they're out in the street not participating in a sanctioned event. Have you seen some of the old martial arts movies? Some guards were swordsman, but not everyone wore armor. Even a few fought swordsmen unarmed and unarmored and some still came out on top. You may say it's just movies, but I mentioned old martial arts films that held close to reality.
While I'm sure a martial artist could get away with not wearing armor against someone with a melee weapon the story is entirely different if your opponent is weilding a projectile weapon. Bows & Arrows, Guns, Cannons, Gatling Guns. Heck if you want to see a gatlin gun mow down a group of samurai watch the last samurai. And those guys were wearing armor! We aren't only fighting against melee classes in SWG we are also fighting ranged. Any sanemartial artistwould determine that in order to fight in a world where the majority of players have guns they would need some sort of protection. In this case it would be armor.
Xeranx
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:54 am
#35
EmbracerOfDarkness wrote:
Smuggler4ever : "Why the negative attitude? Just because we're thinking something that goes along with physics and trying to develop it in a good way (i.e. not being able to flip around so much with heavy armor, thus having a distinguished robe to offset the loss), doesn't mean you have to be in here bashing us. If you don't give the slightest crap, why are you here?
I know that most people who want "tka robes" don't give the slightest crap about physics, they just want to look like ninjas. Most of these people, I have noticed, are the people who constantly wear "decorative vest" and "two-tone skirt".
That's all I have to say on the subject, it's going to turn into a flame-fest. I've made my point, it's up to those who don't like it to ignore it.
Actually the current ninja look is composite armor. If the robes gets away from that look I'll be more than happy.
JaveRel
Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:47 am
#36
Wow this is so sad. I don't see why so many people hate the idea of giving new loots to rare creatures, then letting tailors make us neat and cool looking outfits or whatever you want to call them with bonuses. I mean it is un-realistic to think a TKA would wear Composite armor and if they did that they could do half the moves that they know in it. The TKA is a mobile and agile warrior not a tank who runs head long into dmg and just takes it. I am not saying get rid of armor or even restrict us from wearing armor. I would just like the option to use something a bit more in line with our profession and I think that TKAs who want to use very heavy armor should be penalized. There is no way with the weight restrictions that a TKA could do many moves in such armor. You should be able to wear the armor but with restrictions. I also think this should be so with other classes. Armor should slow you down as well, both for movement and your attack speed.
I know many will cry but its a very good way to balance the clothes that give us bonuses with the armor that we should not be wearing in most cases. So many claim this movie that and such but we are in a game not a movie. In a game anything is possible and it would fit our class much better to have tailor made clothes that protected us like the Jedi Robes. They could be all sorts of looks but to many just want to flame a good idea because they cannot come up with a way to improve upon it.
Jave Rel
3D4D
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:00 am
#37
Who says we need to remove existing armor from current TKs?
Why not add the robes into the game so that TKs have the option of using armor or robes.
The choice should be up to the player, weather to wear armor or not. I think all classes should suffer from a movment penalty when wearing more than 3 parts of armor. This would push people to wear the robes, but wouldn't force them.
KruddMan
Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:20 pm
#38
could add weapon speed encumberance to the armor
be funny if terrain negotiation was afftected by wearing heavy armor. Huff huff boy this armor's heavy!
Sorata80
Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:35 pm
#39
EmbracerOfDarkness wrote:
Sorata80 : "We are the forever watch dogs over the jedi, and I think that should have some status in the game."
Actually, and this has been brought up before, most of the stuff about Teräs Käsi hunting Jedi is from fan-made RPGs and encyclopedias which are even below "official" canonstatus. Even if we accept that, it's illogical to presume that because Teräs Käsi was used to hunt Jedi, then all Teräs Käsi practitionershunt Jedi. In the world of the educated, we call this a "hasty generalisation", and is a fallacy by definition!
How can we forget, by the way, that there are mentions of Teräs Käsi artists that didn't hunt Jedi at all. Some, such as Joclad Danva, who appearedin anarticlein the HoloNet News (officially sanctioned by LucasArts, and therefore canon) were Jedi themselves.
Not like this game follows any sort of continuity at all, but I think that certain geekwads should stop bending the facts to make Teräs Käsi out to be more "uber" than it is so that they can have their bottle and "own" everyone.
I really need a rolling eyes smiley.
Please don't read in between lines where nothing exists. I did not say Jedi Hunters, I said watch dogs of the jedi, they kept them inline when arrogance clouded judgement and rationality. Teras kasi, we're a sect of outcasted jedi which please read up was sanctioned by LucasArts, as they could never obtain full jedi titles as they could not manipulate the force outisde of their body but only what lay with in. And yes, I am a hardcore roleplayer who tends to like having the truth and actuallity of a concept done then just a continuity of typical fotm shouting for more to make "uber" a typical profession. In the end run I was merely and not flaming anyone in any persumption or sarcastic inclintation that I think robes should be left to the jedi but wouldnt mind seeing some sort of clothing made for the teras kasi in Keeping with the ACTUAL Continuity of the Saga.