Teras Kasi Archive

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Skurr wrote:
Couple of points...

I have no idea what you are refering to when you say "Stun Cookie". Teras Kasi recieve Stun at Unarmed 3...if you mean a stun strike that does more damage like a "UnarmedStun2" that may be an idea.

next point...

Perhaps I should have said Unarmed Competition (if you refer to Brazilian Ju-Jitsu)and outside of Maurice Smith in all of UFC there has not been 1 primary striker to win, they have all be grappling hybrids.

I dont know to whom you refer to when you say you "UFC guys". If you studied martial arts history you would see that most combat arts today are derived from brutal forms of Ju-jitsu. Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba first learned Yagyu-ryu Jujitsu, Kodokan Judo with Kiyoichi Takagi and later on Daito-ryu Jujitsu, with the legendary Sokaku Takeda, all of these are brutal arts. And this was years before he became enlightened and created a art of peace now know a Aikido. Also Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo (a sport) first learned the brutal arts of Tenshin-Shinyo and Kito Ryu jujitsu before creating sport Judo (the reason why he created Judo is because it was illegal to practice ju-jitsu outside of the military at the time because it was considered too brutal). Even the Gracies , if you read Gracie history, learned first from Mitsuo Maeda (called Count Koma). It was taught to Gastao Gracie's son Carlos. Carlos in turn taught his brothers (most notably Helio). It was Helio who felt it relied too much on strenght and refined SPECIFICALLY FOR SPORT (adapted the lying guard) not combat. Also

I could go on and on. Ju-Jitusu was an art designed for unarmed Samurai to combat swordsman in ancient Japan. For example when a swordsman would extend to strike, a practicioner of this are would close the distance and intercept the strike, effectivley trapping and breaking the arms and the joint. You can effectively enter, trap, break and drop or make one unable to physically continue in under 3 sec if your trained for it. If you dont think this can be done watch some Aikido (remember the watered down "peaceful" art) demonstrations (I still love watchin Steven Segal movies). Chokes are simply one aspect of a far more brutal art.

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I still feel that a choke is a viable option that should be considered for Teras Kasi Artists. Didn't mean to deivate but he struck a nerve.

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A couple things, history guy.

1. striker never win because all of a strikers most deadly moves are banned from UFC. Or did you forget they dont allow pressure pointattacks,gouges or any of that? A striker is insanely handicapped in that competion. UFC doesnt want people to die lol.

2. You never mention my point that you would lose all defenses. Grappling someone leaves you wide open to attack.

3. thanks for the history lesson. Im glad you can copy stuff from a book/website. Notice the titlenext tomy name and look that up too.

Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-22-2004 08:13 AM

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Skurr wrote:
"Lets make it like jujitsu then, no defenses while choking. You UFC guys make me laugh. sure jujitsu is great 1 vs 1 but it is the absolute worst fighting style for 1 vs 2. Yea his friend is gonna watcvh while you pin him on the ground ROFLMAO"
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You obviously watch too much UFC. Ju-Jitsu is alot more than Brazilizan and can take out more than one person effectively and efficently without the worry of breaking knuckles or going to the ground. The world is bigger than your cable box. Since you watch so much TV im suprised you havent watched Steven Segal movies (the first Caucasion allowed to open an Aikido School in Japan - he is 100% legit artist TURNED actor not actor turned martial artist (VanDamme)).

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My god, people. Let me just say that i hate UFC with a passion. I watched one of them. Martial ARTS. Yup im stuck behind my tv lol. Steven Seagal uses the most over the top and cheesiest aikido around. Movie aikido. The simple fact is that if you attempt a choke againsta someone with a buddy around you are dead meat. Deny all you want.

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k1llen wrote:
Just give us a throat hit or something that can leech some ham points during a period. Would be funny to hit someone in the throat and they start puking.

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Atama wrote:
I think we should be vampires. We can bite someone on the neck and drain their HAM and add them to our own. TKA should be all about being a vampire because vampires are cool.

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SITHDUKE wrote:

I'd imagine he means a bleed like state but not actually the bleeding state. He also gave me an idea. Since we're on the subject of pressure points what about winding a person. Could act as a warcry with damage. I know hitting someone in the solar plexus through a thick plate of composite armour is sorta impossible but hey it's a game so it's not out of the question. What do you guys think?

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SITHDUKE wrote:

Do you win alot of PVP? and Are you rich?

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question 1 - i do ok, but i know my role as a tk in a fight. Im not the dmg dealer, i apply states and kd so the dmg dealers can work. Dont expect to pwn with a obvious support class.

question 2 - ive never had more than 10 mil in my account ever. Notice my registered date. I have some nice stuff that could easily put me way higher if i sold it, but its all fencer stuff. And i found all of it but my bando.

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Phenix1050 wrote:

Okay, it's pretty simple in my mind...not everything in this game has to be compared to real life.

A hammer doesn't do "blast" damage in real life. But in order to make Swordsman more versatile, they were given a weapon that does blast damage. It's a simple way around a complex problem. Adding a new weapon to TKA would accomplish the same thing. One CAN imagine a TKA wielding a vibroknucker that is charged with electricity, or is super-cooled, or super-heated. The point is that any comparisons to real-life fighting is good for a discussions...but TKA aren't the same as real-life martial artists. NO martial artist uses a vibro-knucker...because they don't exist. Thus while it's all well and good to talk about the intricate nature of martial-arts development...it really has no bearing on how a game set in an alternate universe should play.

A couple other things: a choke seems silly. We already can do DOTs. Though rare, if you watch your targets HAM bars well, you'll notice the odd occurence of a bleed. It's rare, but I get see it a couple times a night, and I'm not always watching. A choke seems odd simply becasue someone with armor is a bit hard to choke. Ever notice that composite armor is guarded even around the neck? A FORCE choke is okay, because the force can manipulate the tissue without touching the armor, but a choke that uses hands seems a bit weak against composite. I would rather have new damage types. For if you want to argue semantics about what martial artists can do, they don't jump on birds and choke them (imagine attacking a peko peko and choking it). Even in-game that's a stretch. I would rather have a new damage type that allows me to engage in combat with creatures that I don't currently have the ability to fight.

A choke would be okay, but it's not a replacement for a new weapon. I couldn't choke a peko peko albatross to death (100% kinetic resist) unless I got a new weapon too.

oh, and honestly, to the original poster: I like moderation on the forums, and people being polite, but you're being overly-sensitive. the word he used was "son". I have plenty of friends that use that and it's not always insulting. In this case, it was disrespectful, but you're being overly dramatic. It's pretty hard to get your account banned,and I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to get you banned. He was just saying it because you refused to see the world the way he saw it. I think he had a point. I agree with him. I'm not going to call you "son", but even if I did, it's really not that big a deal. I've been called many worse things and I didn't complain as much as you did. move on with your life and realize that the forums are a common ground. You can't always be treated with kids' gloves just because you can't handle a very insignificant slight. Yes, it would be better if we didn't have to deal with that...but in the end you're making too big a deal out of it and that's your problem...not his.

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Phenix1050 wrote:

Oh I agree..it has a bearing, but people seem to be taking it a bit too far. It's all well and good to compare us to martial artists in that we should have very basic ties-- good balance, medium to low damage, and high defense (which is how we should be) but to say that we need to be Ju-jitsu warriors or UFC grapplers is comparing oranges and orangatangs. Yeah, they have things in common, but you wouldn't peel the skin off an orangatang to eat it raw, and you wouldn't go to the zoo to see an orange. There are fundamental differences because we're talking about a whole 'nother understanding of reality. It's a game. Some things need to be overlooked for the sake of enjoyment.

No UFC or Karate or Akido fighter can hit your leg from 10m (30 feet!!) away, and they certainly can't lunge 20m (60 feet). Some things have to be looked over because it's not technilogically possible to make a perfect simulation of combat in real-time. Grapples are okay...hey I'm all for making TKA's the only proffession that can do a counterattack that knocks an opponant down. But certain things, like the evolution of fighting forms, have no relavance. It's a game. You push a button to do an attack. No Black-Belt in real life has it that simple.

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