Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: TKM Choke Ability (Kun Kasi or Choking Hands)
primalpaladin
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:27 pm
#40
I did not read all the posts but I must chime in on one thing I saw.
Hehehehhehehhhe.. bwaahahahahahahahah.... huhhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh...
I can't believe that there is actually someone in the world who thinks Steven Seagal is a legitamate fighter!!
There is no such thing as a martial art which is good against 2 or more attackers.
Some may prepare you better for the circumstancer, but none give you the tools to effectively deal with two determind attackers. Hell most don't give you the tools to deal with one.
Martial artists crack me up.
Neckros Amada
TestWarning
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:37 pm
#41
SuiRyu wrote:
Skurr wrote:
Couple of points...
I have no idea what you are refering to when you say "Stun Cookie". Teras Kasi recieve Stun at Unarmed 3...if you mean a stun strike that does more damage like a "UnarmedStun2" that may be an idea.
next point...
Perhaps I should have said Unarmed Competition (if you refer to Brazilian Ju-Jitsu)and outside of Maurice Smith in all of UFC there has not been 1 primary striker to win, they have all be grappling hybrids.
I dont know to whom you refer to when you say you "UFC guys". If you studied martial arts history you would see that most combat arts today are derived from brutal forms of Ju-jitsu. Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba first learned Yagyu-ryu Jujitsu, Kodokan Judo with Kiyoichi Takagi and later on Daito-ryu Jujitsu, with the legendary Sokaku Takeda, all of these are brutal arts. And this was years before he became enlightened and created a art of peace now know a Aikido. Also Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo (a sport) first learned the brutal arts of Tenshin-Shinyo and Kito Ryu jujitsu before creating sport Judo (the reason why he created Judo is because it was illegal to practice ju-jitsu outside of the military at the time because it was considered too brutal). Even the Gracies , if you read Gracie history, learned first from Mitsuo Maeda (called Count Koma). It was taught to Gastao Gracie's son Carlos. Carlos in turn taught his brothers (most notably Helio). It was Helio who felt it relied too much on strenght and refined SPECIFICALLY FOR SPORT (adapted the lying guard) not combat. Also
I could go on and on. Ju-Jitusu was an art designed for unarmed Samurai to combat swordsman in ancient Japan. For example when a swordsman would extend to strike, a practicioner of this are would close the distance and intercept the strike, effectivley trapping and breaking the arms and the joint. You can effectively enter, trap, break and drop or make one unable to physically continue in under 3 sec if your trained for it. If you dont think this can be done watch some Aikido (remember the watered down "peaceful" art) demonstrations (I still love watchin Steven Segal movies). Chokes are simply one aspect of a far more brutal art.
Now.....
I still feel that a choke is a viable option that should be considered for Teras Kasi Artists. Didn't mean to deivate but he struck a nerve.A couple things, history guy.
1. striker never win because all of a strikers most deadly moves are banned from UFC. Or did you forget they dont allow pressure point attacks, gouges or any of that? A striker is insanely handicapped in that competion. UFC doesnt want people to die lol.
2. You never mention my point that you would lose all defenses. Grappling someone leaves you wide open to attack.
3. thanks for the history lesson. Im glad you can copy stuff from a book/website. Notice the title next to my name and look that up too.
Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-22-2004 08:13 AM
Amen to that... UFC HAS basically banned striking. "NO RULES!!! oh... unless you want to hit someone where it would really, REALLY hurt them... that wouldn't be nice you know."
and as to the effectiveness of grapples in a "real" fight... lets just say i'm a vet of 11 seperate martial arts... three of them heavily versed in grappling (Aikijutsu, Judo, Aikido), If i'm standing in front of someone trying to do me some serious harm and my ONLY option is to somehow go for the throat. I'm not going to choke him, i'm going to STRIKE his windpipe.
for those wondering, i've studied Sho-Rin Ryu, Aikido, Kendo, Aikijutsu, Judo, Hwarangdo, Taijutsu, Ninpo, TKD (World, not ATA), Capoeira, and Shotokan.
Phenix1050
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:41 am
#42
Oh I agree..it has a bearing, but people seem to be taking it a bit too far. It's all well and good to compare us to martial artists in that we should have very basic ties-- good balance, medium to low damage, and high defense (which is how we should be) but to say that we need to be Ju-jitsu warriors or UFC grapplers is comparing oranges and orangatangs. Yeah, they have things in common, but you wouldn't peel the skin off an orangatang to eat it raw, and you wouldn't go to the zoo to see an orange. There are fundamental differences because we're talking about a whole 'nother understanding of reality. It's a game. Some things need to be overlooked for the sake of enjoyment.
No UFC or Karate or Akido fighter can hit your leg from 10m (30 feet!!) away, and they certainly can't lunge 20m (60 feet). Some things have to be looked over because it's not technilogically possible to make a perfect simulation of combat in real-time. Grapples are okay...hey I'm all for making TKA's the only proffession that can do a counterattack that knocks an opponant down. But certain things, like the evolution of fighting forms, have no relavance. It's a game. You push a button to do an attack. No Black-Belt in real life has it that simple.
Skurr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:56 am
#43
hmmm you know what? The only point I have agreed with is the point that I was overly sensitive. I went back and read numerous posting and notice that not only were people smashing each other but that cursing and blatant attacks where allowed on the boards. Like I said I had the wrong I idea of these boards being used by adults being polite and respectful with each other with a moderator keeping things in check. Now I realize it is mainly snott nosed pock faced spoiled rich boys playing on mommies cable modem with that being said.....
IIIMMMMMMMM BAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKK BBBBIIII***************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(for those that want to whine and say "But Skurr..ya said you wouldnt post again(insert whining 12 year old voice here) guess what I lied. Get some tissue and get over it numbnutt)
llllmmmmmaaaaaoooooo Ive never had such a good laugh reading the complete garbage that these snott nosed idiots have posted. Thank you. First off.....
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A couple things, history guy.
1. striker never win because all of a strikers most deadly moves are banned from UFC. Or did you forget they dont allow pressure point attacks, gouges or any of that? A striker is insanely handicapped in that competion. UFC doesnt want people to die lol.
2. You never mention my point that you would lose all defenses. Grappling someone leaves you wide open to attack.
3. thanks for the history lesson. Im glad you can copy stuff from a book/website. Notice the title next to my name and look that up too.
Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-22-2004 08:13 AM
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First off lets forget the UFC...I agree this is garbage. Only complete idoits even refer to it I only responded to it because someone brought it up in a rebutle to my comment. To hell with the UFC.
Second grappling only leaves you open if you study some watered down broken fat boy grappling that teaches no footwork or body positioning. I love these guys that equate all Ju-Jitsu to Brazillian. Wake up moron.
Third your welcome numbnutt anytime. I have no interest in looking up your "name" your comments prove it is a numbnutt style that only accepts arrogant fat boys that waste time posting crap on forums instead of practinng honor, intellence and helping the weak. Go work a soup kitchen, gain some honor then come back "Sensi". LOL (oh by the way if you already have...I still think your a fat numbnutt...snicker..watch how this juvinile probably comes back posting his weight and stats...lol geek.
Second.....(drum roll)
"NO RULES!!! oh... unless you want to hit someone where it would really, REALLY hurt them... that wouldn't be nice you know."
and as to the effectiveness of grapples in a "real" fight... lets just say i'm a vet of 11 seperate martial arts... three of them heavily versed in grappling (Aikijutsu, Judo, Aikido), If i'm standing in front of someone trying to do me some serious harm and my ONLY option is to somehow go for the throat. I'm not going to choke him, i'm going to STRIKE his windpipe."
LOLOLOLOL OMG listen to this guy. First you study water down arts and sports (Aikido and Judo) then you claim to have studied 11 seperate arts. Well I studied 11 different cookbooks and that doesnt make me a Chef LOLOLOLOL. If you have studies 11 different arts and your only option when attacked is a throat strike....lolol 11 "masters" just took your money and your a moronic numbnutt and you deserve to get beat down on the street. LOLOL Jack of All master of none.
Third...(drum roll)
I can't believe that there is actually someone in the world who thinks Steven Seagal is a legitamate fighter!!
All I can say is you watch too much TV and need to pick up a book or read the mans history. In the words of a great numbnutt you need to learn a little before posting. You make yourself look like a moron.
Fourth.....(drum roll)
I thought all I was doing was posting a probable idea to be considered by the Devs and TKA community. I realize now, after reading the posts, that this forum is no different that any other. You got about 12 people that post consistantly and that attack anyone that posts new ideas or those ideas that are different then theirs. Well Im not going anywhere. How a choke would be coded by the Devs is what would dictate if it leaves you open or not. I never heard of a man getting choked from behind that would leave himself completly open maybe partilly. As for comparing this to Jedi..I never said give us a force choke idiot I stated maybe some form of HAM constricting move possibliy a choke. If this is a bad idea cool.
The only good alternative Ive heard that wasnt bashing was the idea of a neck strike. Give it HAM constricting qualities for a number of rounds and WALAAA you have a move that enhances TKA. So what about a Neck strike then? Only at TKM.
IIIMMMMMMMM BAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKK BBBBIIII***************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(for those that want to whine and say "But Skurr..ya said you wouldnt post again(insert whining 12 year old voice here) guess what I lied. Get some tissue and get over it numbnutt)
llllmmmmmaaaaaoooooo Ive never had such a good laugh reading the complete garbage that these snott nosed idiots have posted. Thank you. First off.....
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
A couple things, history guy.
1. striker never win because all of a strikers most deadly moves are banned from UFC. Or did you forget they dont allow pressure point attacks, gouges or any of that? A striker is insanely handicapped in that competion. UFC doesnt want people to die lol.
2. You never mention my point that you would lose all defenses. Grappling someone leaves you wide open to attack.
3. thanks for the history lesson. Im glad you can copy stuff from a book/website. Notice the title next to my name and look that up too.
Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-22-2004 08:13 AM
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First off lets forget the UFC...I agree this is garbage. Only complete idoits even refer to it I only responded to it because someone brought it up in a rebutle to my comment. To hell with the UFC.
Second grappling only leaves you open if you study some watered down broken fat boy grappling that teaches no footwork or body positioning. I love these guys that equate all Ju-Jitsu to Brazillian. Wake up moron.
Third your welcome numbnutt anytime. I have no interest in looking up your "name" your comments prove it is a numbnutt style that only accepts arrogant fat boys that waste time posting crap on forums instead of practinng honor, intellence and helping the weak. Go work a soup kitchen, gain some honor then come back "Sensi". LOL (oh by the way if you already have...I still think your a fat numbnutt...snicker..watch how this juvinile probably comes back posting his weight and stats...lol geek.
Second.....(drum roll)
"NO RULES!!! oh... unless you want to hit someone where it would really, REALLY hurt them... that wouldn't be nice you know."
and as to the effectiveness of grapples in a "real" fight... lets just say i'm a vet of 11 seperate martial arts... three of them heavily versed in grappling (Aikijutsu, Judo, Aikido), If i'm standing in front of someone trying to do me some serious harm and my ONLY option is to somehow go for the throat. I'm not going to choke him, i'm going to STRIKE his windpipe."
LOLOLOLOL OMG listen to this guy. First you study water down arts and sports (Aikido and Judo) then you claim to have studied 11 seperate arts. Well I studied 11 different cookbooks and that doesnt make me a Chef LOLOLOLOL. If you have studies 11 different arts and your only option when attacked is a throat strike....lolol 11 "masters" just took your money and your a moronic numbnutt and you deserve to get beat down on the street. LOLOL Jack of All master of none.
Third...(drum roll)
I can't believe that there is actually someone in the world who thinks Steven Seagal is a legitamate fighter!!
All I can say is you watch too much TV and need to pick up a book or read the mans history. In the words of a great numbnutt you need to learn a little before posting. You make yourself look like a moron.
Fourth.....(drum roll)
I thought all I was doing was posting a probable idea to be considered by the Devs and TKA community. I realize now, after reading the posts, that this forum is no different that any other. You got about 12 people that post consistantly and that attack anyone that posts new ideas or those ideas that are different then theirs. Well Im not going anywhere. How a choke would be coded by the Devs is what would dictate if it leaves you open or not. I never heard of a man getting choked from behind that would leave himself completly open maybe partilly. As for comparing this to Jedi..I never said give us a force choke idiot I stated maybe some form of HAM constricting move possibliy a choke. If this is a bad idea cool.
The only good alternative Ive heard that wasnt bashing was the idea of a neck strike. Give it HAM constricting qualities for a number of rounds and WALAAA you have a move that enhances TKA. So what about a Neck strike then? Only at TKM.
SuiRyu
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:06 am
#44
Skurr wrote:
hmmm you know what? The only point I have agreed with is the point that I was overly sensitive. I went back and read numerous posting and notice that not only were people smashing each other but that cursing and blatant attacks where allowed on the boards. Like I said I had the wrong I idea of these boards being used by adults being polite and respectful with each other with a moderator keeping things in check. Now I realize it is mainly snott nosed pock faced spoiled rich boys playing on mommies cable modem with that being said.....
IIIMMMMMMMM BAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKK BBBBIIII***************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(for those that want to whine and say "But Skurr..ya said you wouldnt post again(insert whining 12 year old voice here) guess what I lied. Get some tissue and get over it numbnutt)
llllmmmmmaaaaaoooooo Ive never had such a good laugh reading the complete garbage that these snott nosed idiots have posted. Thank you. First off.....
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
A couple things, history guy.
1. striker never win because all of a strikers most deadly moves are banned from UFC. Or did you forget they dont allow pressure point attacks, gouges or any of that? A striker is insanely handicapped in that competion. UFC doesnt want people to die lol.
2. You never mention my point that you would lose all defenses. Grappling someone leaves you wide open to attack.
3. thanks for the history lesson. Im glad you can copy stuff from a book/website. Notice the title next to my name and look that up too.
Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-22-2004 08:13 AM
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First off lets forget the UFC...I agree this is garbage. Only complete idoits even refer to it I only responded to it because someone brought it up in a rebutle to my comment. To hell with the UFC.
Second grappling only leaves you open if you study some watered down broken fat boy grappling that teaches no footwork or body positioning. I love these guys that equate all Ju-Jitsu to Brazillian. Wake up moron.
Third your welcome numbnutt anytime. I have no interest in looking up your "name" your comments prove it is a numbnutt style that only accepts arrogant fat boys that waste time posting crap on forums instead of practinng honor, intellence and helping the weak. Go work a soup kitchen, gain some honor then come back "Sensi". LOL (oh by the way if you already have...I still think your a fat numbnutt...snicker..watch how this juvinile probably comes back posting his weight and stats...lol geek.
Second.....(drum roll)
"NO RULES!!! oh... unless you want to hit someone where it would really, REALLY hurt them... that wouldn't be nice you know."
and as to the effectiveness of grapples in a "real" fight... lets just say i'm a vet of 11 seperate martial arts... three of them heavily versed in grappling (Aikijutsu, Judo, Aikido), If i'm standing in front of someone trying to do me some serious harm and my ONLY option is to somehow go for the throat. I'm not going to choke him, i'm going to STRIKE his windpipe."
LOLOLOLOL OMG listen to this guy. First you study water down arts and sports (Aikido and Judo) then you claim to have studied 11 seperate arts. Well I studied 11 different cookbooks and that doesnt make me a Chef LOLOLOLOL. If you have studies 11 different arts and your only option when attacked is a throat strike....lolol 11 "masters" just took your money and your a moronic numbnutt and you deserve to get beat down on the street. LOLOL Jack of All master of none.
Third...(drum roll)
I can't believe that there is actually someone in the world who thinks Steven Seagal is a legitamate fighter!!
All I can say is you watch too much TV and need to pick up a book or read the mans history. In the words of a great numbnutt you need to learn a little before posting. You make yourself look like a moron.
Fourth.....(drum roll)
I thought all I was doing was posting a probable idea to be considered by the Devs and TKA community. I realize now, after reading the posts, that this forum is no different that any other. You got about 12 people that post consistantly and that attack anyone that posts new ideas or those ideas that are different then theirs. Well Im not going anywhere. How a choke would be coded by the Devs is what would dictate if it leaves you open or not. I never heard of a man getting choked from behind that would leave himself completly open maybe partilly. As for comparing this to Jedi..I never said give us a force choke idiot I stated maybe some form of HAM constricting move possibliy a choke. If this is a bad idea cool.
The only good alternative Ive heard that wasnt bashing was the idea of a neck strike. Give it HAM constricting qualities for a number of rounds and WALAAA you have a move that enhances TKA. So what about a Neck strike then? Only at TKM.
This is awsome. Your the " fat kid watching tv" and theres no denying it. Steven Seagal was once was a artist, but gave it up to go to hollywood. The fact that you used him as a argument is hilarious. I did read his history, he basically backstabbed his teacher to make movies not to mention that he married his masters daughter and then divorced her after he had used them for all they were worth. Wake up buddy boy.
Also, let me tell you i sure to post constantly rofl. Look when i started playing this game and check my post count.
Message Edited by SuiRyu on 09-23-2004 07:19 AM
Skurr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:06 am
#45
Doh I didnt see this post.....
1. totally agree
2. totally agree
3. recheck your history from several resources instead of 1 or 2. Ju-Jitusu isn't that old nor was it an original martial art.
The Gracies and Ju-Jitusu were the UFC fotm when they came in. No one expected "wrestling moves" as they put it at first. Now that the luster has worn off everyone knows how to counter it and anyone going solo grappler gets owned. I still get my kicks watching that one guy start off trying to gain command of his opponents leg then having his arm trapped by the leg and the other forced apart, then taking multiple elbows to the head. All under 30sec.
p.s.- if you want a constriction move try a "neck strike" which would still leave you defenses. But seriously, is this an attempt to compare TKM and Jedi again and steal their moves or something?
Blah blah blah....we all know the UFC is garbage that has been beat to death enough. Only and idiot tries opening up going for the legs of a ready and studied opponent. Even the Gracies open with either a strike or a clitch prior to going to the ground. That guy that got beat down deserved it as a moron to ju-jitsu.
Recheck my history. Ju-jitsu isnt that old??????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL once again a idiot that equate ALL Ju-Jitsu to Brazillian Ju-Jitsu. Ju-Jitsu IS that old and its older and was around LONG before most forms or Karate and the only thing legitimatly older is Kung-Fu. But rather that cite sources and get accused of copy and paste Ill give you some advice. Read a Book.
Once again Im for the neck strike idea I think that DOES actually sound better than a choke. More info on how it would work........
1. totally agree
2. totally agree
3. recheck your history from several resources instead of 1 or 2. Ju-Jitusu isn't that old nor was it an original martial art.
The Gracies and Ju-Jitusu were the UFC fotm when they came in. No one expected "wrestling moves" as they put it at first. Now that the luster has worn off everyone knows how to counter it and anyone going solo grappler gets owned. I still get my kicks watching that one guy start off trying to gain command of his opponents leg then having his arm trapped by the leg and the other forced apart, then taking multiple elbows to the head. All under 30sec.
p.s.- if you want a constriction move try a "neck strike" which would still leave you defenses. But seriously, is this an attempt to compare TKM and Jedi again and steal their moves or something?
Blah blah blah....we all know the UFC is garbage that has been beat to death enough. Only and idiot tries opening up going for the legs of a ready and studied opponent. Even the Gracies open with either a strike or a clitch prior to going to the ground. That guy that got beat down deserved it as a moron to ju-jitsu.
Recheck my history. Ju-jitsu isnt that old??????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL once again a idiot that equate ALL Ju-Jitsu to Brazillian Ju-Jitsu. Ju-Jitsu IS that old and its older and was around LONG before most forms or Karate and the only thing legitimatly older is Kung-Fu. But rather that cite sources and get accused of copy and paste Ill give you some advice. Read a Book.
Once again Im for the neck strike idea I think that DOES actually sound better than a choke. More info on how it would work........
Skurr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:12 am
#46
LOLOLOL Ill be the fat boy if that makes you happy *smooch* Im eating a doughnut right now. I never said the main wasn't a numbnutt in real life. I stated he was a legimate martial artist. In the words of a numbnutt read before you post. Its as easy as going to the side of the computer screen ------------------------>>>>>
hitting that little blue bar and scrolling up. And Im WWWIIIDDEE awake thank you for your concern. LOLOLOL
hitting that little blue bar and scrolling up. And Im WWWIIIDDEE awake thank you for your concern. LOLOLOL
Ryutek
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:18 am
#47
Skurr wrote:
hmmm you know what? The only point I have agreed with is the point that I was overly sensitive. I went back and read numerous posting and notice that not only were people smashing each other but that cursing and blatant attacks where allowed on the boards. Like I said I had the wrong I idea of these boards being used by adults being polite and respectful with each other with a moderator keeping things in check. Now I realize it is mainly snott nosed pock faced spoiled rich boys playing on mommies cable modem with that being said.....
Actually, you are incorrect. A respectful tone should be kept at all times (although there are times it is not), "cursing and blatant attacks" are against the rules of the forum and you can be banned for them (although they do occur at times), and there are moderators (however with so many boards and posters and so few mods things are bound to get by).
I'm going to warn everyone now: Back up, think before you post, and make sure that you are being respectful to others here. I'll be watching this thread and will be reporting offenders as well as asking for the thread to be locked if it continues in the direction it is going. There is no need for name-calling or insulting another person's position because it is disagreed upon. Instead post why you disagree and leave it at that.
Skurr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:22 am
#48
Lol after 48 posts it took ME starting to do the same thing everyone else has done on this board and forums to give this thread a warning. Ok cool warning understood. Thanks for commenting...
Ryutek
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:27 am
#49
Considering I do not monitor the boards at all times, yes. Considering the tone started to get better and then deteriorated again, yes. I try to let discussions work themselves out before I have to step in. If you ever are in a situation and you feel it should be taken sooner PM a moderator or myself, or use the "report abuse" button that everyone has access to on each post. Do not expect immediate results, however, and if you are insulted the best response is no response (keeps things much better in general).
SuiRyu
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:29 am
#50
Yep its all our faults that you called us b_tches and numbnuts. If you canttake criticism perhaps you shouldnt be on the internet? Thats all that happens here, or any other forum for any subject.
Skurr
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:32 am
#51
I NEVER said B_tch I said Bi******************* and I ment Billygoats..LOl dont put words in my mouth... who is being sensitive now. Numbnutt is a common military term which mean a person with limited mental faculites. *smooch* does that make it better. A second ago you where the man....what happened. Maybe I was too harsh. I sorry for that. LOL
SuiRyu
Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:35 am
#52
Skurr wrote:
I NEVER said B_tch I said Bi******************* and I ment Billygoats..LOl dont put words in my mouth... who is being sensitive now. Numbnutt is a common military term which mean a person with limited mental faculites. *smooch* does that make it better. A second ago you where the man....what happened. Maybe I was too harsh. I sorry for that. LOL
Dude, youve got some real issues. Its really funny you talked about honor and soup kitchens. Im sure mentally handicapped people love to be called numbnuts, very honorable. Im done.