Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Fencer makes tk look like a novice brawler
ruehs
Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:26 pm
#27
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I did a bit of math too, I may be wrong, but will all the defenses, resistances, etc, I think you'd need around an 800+ max damage stun baton to do 400 damage to a TKM with 38% stun resistance composite in PvP. Is that even possible with slices and powerups not using exploits?
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It is not possible to get a stun batton that high. Even though I think I had a wet dream about one that high...
Macross Starchaser, Eclipse, Phoenix Reborn
McFlyGuy
Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:51 pm
#28
Also another idea would be to have more penaltys while wearing armor. I'm sure you wou'ld attack faster without armor on. Riflemen would miss more with a helmet on. The list could go on. And yeah more armor types would be nice. Comp armor has made nearly made every combat profession without a stun weapon nearly useless in PvP 
Bravo8716
Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:19 am
#29
KD2 dizzies 1/20 times for me.... I dueled a fencer with 255 max damage vibro knucks and i still got owned. Neither of us got kd'd or dizzied, and he still owned me. Even though i was waring full kinetic/stun comp, i still got owned. By the time i was dead, his HAMs had barely been touched.... and yes i had brandy and we both had the exact same buffs. He won because he was dodging 4/5 of all of my shots, and my ocmp was only 4% stun. Hopefully our new knucklers in the next pub willmake TKAcompare to a fencer or rifleman.
ruehs
Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:23 am
#30
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and my comp was only 4% stun
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There is your problem.
Macross Starchaser, Eclipse, Phoenix Reborn
VemaGara
Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:31 am
#31
Most players do not PvP. The stun baton may be uber in PvP, but in PvE, it's nothing special. Most fencers think that they are underpowered because they PvE only, and find that you can't dodge something to death. Defences delay you losing. They do not grant you victory.
Kazzacuk
Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:55 am
#32
I agree wholeheartedly that its the person that makes the profession. I've played many MMOG's and I've seen many profs that people called crap and someone comes along someday and kicks your behind with that supposedly crappy profession. Learn your profession, try different and new things, combine different attacks and for the love of God if you keep getting owned learn to minimize your weaknesses.
Loshuss
Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:06 am
#33
Fencer is almostworthless for high end PVE. The lack of a decent AP weapon cannot compare to a TKM with a decent damage sliced VK while dealing damage to Mutant/EnragedRancors or Nightsisters.
I have never seen a AP1 Stun Baton (unless Acklay Bones have some freaky AP modifier). The only Fencer weapon with AP is the vibroblade, which I won't comment on.
I find that mixing the defenses of Fencer with the status attacks and good DPS of TKM works pretty well for PVE and PVP. Lots of Melee Defense and Ranged Defense are good. 
Laeren
Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:27 am
#34
I wanted to also point out that fencers, unless they take up master brawler, don't have a KD. They have the same thing all the brawlers do, which is dizzy + lunge. The anti-KD food doesn't protect against this.
So, as a TKM, if you're having trouble KD'ing someone, work this route instead. You'll find you have more success against anti-KD food than you do now with the UAKD2.
Kidnuka
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:16 am
#35
Dragunsoul wrote:
I watched my tkm/doc friend duel one last night and the fencer took him down in less then 10 seconds about 5 times in a row.
Did your friend forgethe was a Docand couldheal himself? Fencers don't hit the mind.
Loshuss
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:39 am
#36
It's true Fencers lack a targetted mind attack, but Scatter2 seems to hit mind quite a bit. But seriously, its insanely hard to die with Doc/anything template. As everyone is saying, Intimidate, Stun until it sticks. Or use unarmedcombo1/2, since it never misses and seems to ignore dodge, counterattack and block.
Ninz
Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:42 am
#37
Wha-? Yesterday I beat a master fencer at TKA 0/1/3/2!
"Just my 3 cents. I'm richer than you."
EcadMistflier
Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:54 pm
#38
ruehs wrote:
Well I guess you finally found out that fencers are only as good as the user, just like any profession.
Macross Starchaser, Eclipse, Phoenix Reborn
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Sutemek
Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:19 pm
#39
Have you tried dueling a fencer with neither of you in armor? How about with neither of you buffed? I'm a tkm/blademaster. I stopped using armor in PvP because of jawa rifles and poison. If neither player, tkm and blademaster, is in armor it's an entirely different fight.The big problem is the ungodly armor which turns spitting rawl into another way to drain lots of your own ham. It's not our fault that we have stun batons, and it's also not our fault that composite just happens to be vulnerable to stun. Just about every arguement that pops up about PvP can be settled by a change to armor, or by a change to CMs. TK and fencer are both good professions, and both of them work right. The fact that fencers can beat tks because of armor has nothing to do with our professions and i would hate to see either of these professions, which actually work, be nerfed because of how unbalancing armor is.