Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: A real Teräs Käsi master
Brainplay
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:34 am
#14
Right now melee beat Jedi since defense vs. melee attacks is borked. Even the defender line isn't giving the bonus its supposed to give. Jedi DONT BLOCK MELEE ATTACKS.
That balanced TK template you just showed is incredible.......piece o` crap.
Thats unbalanced..period. No other profession could stand up to it not even someone who spent all their points into defense stacking. Where do you get this "real TKM" stuff?
Stop reading fan fiction trash and get that "jedi watcher" crap out of your head. Next thing you know you'll be asking for "Dragon Ball Z super special attacks because he was like unarmed so he must be like part TK or something...right?"
hmmhmm
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:50 am
#15
To brainplay
Jedi will never block melee, They got melee defence to cover that up and toughness. The jedi is already combat balanced.
In kotor and academy they dont block melee weapons or fists. They ovoid it because lightsaber CAN`T block a melee weapon. The melee weapon will go right through the lightsaber then it will be sliced in the middle but theblade will regardless of the block hit.Now against another lightsaber..thats a different story...
Learn the fysical laws before you say jedi will block in melee against melee weapons.A lightsaber can never ever block other things then Cortosis Weave and blasters and other lightsabers. A lightsabercan't block a flame thrower or other area none laser based stuff,that will still be leftin some pieces when it go through.Get real..block a rocket? a flame of fire?! It's not a shield you know!
Lightsaber cut through nearly all things it touch but that willbe negative aswell because that will make other melee weapons to goright through it.The weapon is destroyed but the blade is still on motion and will most likely according to the laws of gravity either hit the intended spot you aimed at or simply fall to the ground.
And you know what i think you willone of the firstthat whines when all force sensetive melee fighters (the non lightsaberwielding ones i mean like fencer/jedi defense and so on) enter swg and your jedi die die die and continue to die against them.
How much do you know about pvp?
do you use kd?
do you use posture change?
do you use head hit?
Do you know what intimidate do?
Do you know what the real problem is why jedi loses against a melee proffesion?
Why is Fencers/tkm so good in melee?
what is the main power with that template?
Stop thinking that all will be good when combat balance is here because it wont.
Pvp is based on skill and equipment and knowledge no matter if you are a jedi or not.
Do you know why these people kill jedis.Because they are elite they know what to do. Jedis are usally slow and lazy because they think they are uber strong andthat isNOT a real jedi.Nor is it like that in swg.
A little check in the swg pvp history
on Tarquinas( in my oponion the only server that nerfs dont work on,wesimply dont care!)
first it was kd spammers that ruled pvp. Why? because they faced only noobs. The kd spammers died against people that had stacked resist from other templates.
The true template that ruled pvp was pistoler/Fencer but the noobs rarely faced those because they did not fight noobs.
Then they fixed kd so it had an 30 sec delay if it worked to be able to work again.
What happened?
well people started to stack Tkm/Fencers to get very high defence and use posture change dizzy instead. But it was still pistoler /fencers that ruled and no one even noticed them. Why? because the noobs that fought other noobs never saw them.
Then they nerfed defence so dodge had a cap. Before220 dodge was99% dodge so they capped it tojedi block wich was 70% Then people started to build Tkm/Rifleman. Before rifleman where a laughable profession you killed when you got close. Now people whined and hated them.
Tkm = elite melee
Rifleman = elite ranged
Noobs whined and whined and whined but who was the true pvp mainiacs thatruled everything? It was not the rifleman/tkm it was the combat medics/tkm or c.medic/rifleman.
So whencombat medics started to be visable the noobs whined so high so the devsmade doctors buff resists.
What happendafter that?
Well we shall see but im pretty sure that the noobs will whine again that they get killedby Force Fencers andForce Tkms.
Just quit,Brainplay. Its not like i want to be bad to you . You will probably never enjoy the game because you will always die against elite fighters regardless what your proffesion is. You might enjoy JTL however...
But regardless....The noobs die the elite win.
hmmhmm
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:54 am
#16
Brainplay wrote:
Right now melee beat Jedi since defense vs. melee attacks is borked. Even the defender line isn't giving the bonus its supposed to give. Jedi DONT BLOCK MELEE ATTACKS.
That balanced TK template you just showed is incredible.......piece o` crap.
Thats unbalanced..period. No other profession could stand up to it not even someone who spent all their points into defense stacking. Where do you get this "real TKM" stuff?
Stop reading fan fiction trash and get that "jedi watcher" crap out of your head. Next thing you know you'll be asking for "Dragon Ball Z super special attacks because he was like unarmed so he must be like part TK or something...right?"
and by the way that TKM template i showed you is what TKM looks like NOW,not what i suggested as a real TKM would be
what i said was what kind of TKM you can meet in swg NOW and i agree with you.I do NOT want that kind of TKM in swg.My suggestion would be much more balanced
TravonLepen
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:00 am
#17
To brainplay
Jedi will never block melee, They got melee defence to cover that up and toughness. The jedi is already combat balanced.
In kotor and academy they dont block melee weapons or fists. They ovoid it because lightsaber CAN`T block a melee weapon. The melee weapon will go right through the lightsaber then it will be sliced in the middle but theblade will regardless of the block hit.Now against another lightsaber..thats a different story...
Learn the fysical laws before you say jedi will block in melee against melee weapons.A lightsaber can never ever block other things then Cortosis Weave and blasters and other lightsabers. A lightsabercan't block a flame thrower or other area none laser based stuff,that will still be leftin some pieces when it go through.Get real..block a rocket? a flame of fire?! It's not a shield you know!
Lightsaber cut through nearly all things it touch but that willbe negative aswell because that will make other melee weapons to goright through it.The weapon is destroyed but the blade is still on motion and will most likely according to the laws of gravity either hit the intended spot you aimed at or simply fall to the ground.
And you know what i think you willone of the firstthat whines when all force sensetive melee fighters (the non lightsaberwielding ones i mean like fencer/jedi defense and so on) enter swg and your jedi die die die and continue to die against them.
How much do you know about pvp?
do you use kd?
do you use posture change?
do you use head hit?
Do you know what intimidate do?
Do you know what the real problem is why jedi loses against a melee proffesion?
Why is Fencers/tkm so good in melee?
what is the main power with that template?
Stop thinking that all will be good when combat balance is here because it wont.
Pvp is based on skill and equipment and knowledge no matter if you are a jedi or not.
Do you know why these people kill jedis.Because they are elite they know what to do. Jedis are usally slow and lazy because they think they are uber strong andthat isNOT a real jedi.Nor is it like that in swg.
A little check in the swg pvp history
on Tarquinas( in my oponion the only server that nerfs dont work on,wesimply dont care!)
first it was kd spammers that ruled pvp. Why? because they faced only noobs. The kd spammers died against people that had stacked resist from other templates.
The true template that ruled pvp was pistoler/Fencer but the noobs rarely faced those because they did not fight noobs.
Then they fixed kd so it had an 30 sec delay if it worked to be able to work again.
What happened?
well people started to stack Tkm/Fencers to get very high defence and use posture change dizzy instead. But it was still pistoler /fencers that ruled and no one even noticed them. Why? because the noobs that fought other noobs never saw them.
Then they nerfed defence so dodge had a cap. Before220 dodge was99% dodge so they capped it tojedi block wich was 70% Then people started to build Tkm/Rifleman. Before rifleman where a laughable profession you killed when you got close. Now people whined and hated them.
Tkm = elite melee
Rifleman = elite ranged
Noobs whined and whined and whined but who was the true pvp mainiacs thatruled everything? It was not the rifleman/tkm it was the combat medics/tkm or c.medic/rifleman.
So whencombat medics started to be visable the noobs whined so high so the devsmade doctors buff resists.
What happendafter that?
Well we shall see but im pretty sure that the noobs will whine again that they get killedby Force Fencers andForce Tkms.
Just quit,Brainplay. Its not like i want to be bad to you . You will probably never enjoy the game because you will always die against elite fighters regardless what your proffesion is. You might enjoy JTL however...
But regardless....The noobs die the elite win.
funniest. post. ever. Honestly, i'm not even sure what you said, you lost me somwhere around melee weapons slicing through lightsabers... In any case, there's so many things wrong here, I won't reply.
Atama
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:42 am
#18
"Most of the stuff you read about Teras Kasi is fan fiction, and while I enjoyed the post by Windsplitter, I think that was just a description from a role playing game or something...."
Even worse. That was something some guy made up for the RPG he was running, he posted it online in case other people might like it.
Sovi-FFO
Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:26 pm
#19
Most people dont use canape except for emergency situations, usualy to save space for arisha and synthsteak 
TravonLepen
Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:18 am
#20
lol, I didn't know all that.... I kinda figured it was rp when he branched off into the "fallen" masters who have different skills and whatnot...
Vurtorax
Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:29 am
#21
I agree w/most everything you said except this. TKM has become somewhat popular again since the 80% kinetic compo invasion, but I don't consider it the elite melee. TKM are definately the best against jedi, but they still suck fighting normal people w/buffs and an 80% kinetic composite. They could KD + Dizzy a rifleman for a minute and still not take down half his mind if the rifleman has brandy, dancer/musician buffs, and canape. My template is Master Swordsman/Pikeman, 4440 Fencer, and 1100 Medic. I eat TKMs, even stacker TKMs w/poison buffs. TKMs are even more screwed if I eat the KD resistant food.Anyway, I made my point, I'll stop rambling.
hmmhmm wrote:
Tkm = elite melee
Rifleman = elite ranged
Brainplay
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:40 am
#22
TravonLepen wrote:
To brainplay
Jedi will never block melee, They got melee defence to cover that up and toughness. The jedi is already combat balanced. Hahahahahaaha
Just quit,Brainplay. Its not like i want to be bad to you . You will probably never enjoy the game because you will always die against elite fighters regardless what your proffesion is. You might enjoy JTL however... Dude I really cant stop laughing at this one
But regardless....The noobs die the elite win. hahahahaa Can I have your counter-strike hax plz
funniest. post. ever. Honestly, i'm not even sure what you said, you lost me somwhere around melee weapons slicing through lightsabers... In any case, there's so many things wrong here, I won't reply.
OMFG! I actually read the whole thing
HagakureL
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:21 am
#23
In Diablo II the assasin character was the anti-mage such should be the role of the TKM. I think (its been a while) that the lore behind the assasin was to control corrupted mages and in order to not become corrupted they stayed away from magic and instead used their inner strength as weapons. But they used magically enhanced weapons so I would say to stay along the same lines the TKM shouldn't use the force at all in order to avoid the corruption from the dark-side. Instead TKM's should be given Force Enhanced weapons.
Vcardossk
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:40 am
#24
hmmhmm wrote:
Seriously something is very wrong if you ask me when you can be a tkm and have problem with a master rifleman or a fencer. Teräs Käsi masters is the opposite to Jedi masters but they have the same strenght as a Jedi master but in a different way.
Teräs Käsi masters use the inner way of handling the force.That means they speed up the body´s reflexes and boost their strength so they achieve speed that the eye cant notice for a normal person.
And a Jedi master learn to sense where the attacks are coming.
This is an example of a jedi master compared to a Teräs Käsi master when it comes to handle a combat situation against blasters:
The Jedi master use the force so he can feel where the shots lands. The shots will then be parried by the jedi´s Lightsaber.
Now the Teräs Käsi get attacked and instead of feeling where the shots land he can see the shots coming. So he dodges out of the way instead of blocks it.
The truth is that a jedi master can only react with his saber as fast as his body allow him to move.
So if the Jedi master get overwhelmed with too many shots his body will not be able to keep up with the force and the jedi master will die.
A Teräs Kasi uses the force to speed up so high that he moves so fast that the shots will never hit him. But a Teräs Käsi master has the problem that he cant feel if he get sniped by a long distance sniper as a jedi master can.
So the truth is: If a jedi master and a teräs Käsi master face eachother in fight to the death the odds is on the Teräs Käsi masters side because he moves to fast so even if the jedi can sense where he shall strike he cant do anything because his body will not be able to keep up.
Darth maul was a teräs käsi student and a sith, not even a teräs käsi warrior, and he took on a jedi padawan and a knight at the same time.
I hope the Devs will understand these simple rules otherwise stupid things will show up in the game heh.
Your retarded i hope you know that. Not only can jedi use the force to sense where the attack is coming from but they can also use it to boost their own phsyical speed.
Teras Kasi is simply the combonation of of phsyical prowress and exreme mental focus and discipline to make them even stronger.
Jedi on the other are also exremely physically fit and focus alot on the mental aspects, just like a teras kasi. Now on top of that the jedi can use the force to enhance their phsyical skills which are already extremely high and use it to change their enviroment, like making you weaker, make you see things, knocked you down, disarm you. A jedi without a light saber is still a person to be feard. In the books or the movies.
And in relation to blocking bolts with a lightsaber, i dont know about you but that takes some hella fast reflexes that no TK could ever hope to achieve without the force. Some jedi are so good at it they can purposefully aim the bolt where they want it to go. Also if you running in to attack, isn't it easier to just swat the bolt out of your way rather than dodge it. Jedi do use the force to dodge attacks, but if you have 15 people shooting at you, i think blocking em is your better option.
Next time before you start making random assumption on how tk should pwn jedi get the facts first.
Tk Master-Soon to be Jedi
Vcardossk
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:47 am
#25
TravonLepen wrote:To brainplayJedi will never block melee, They got melee defence to cover that up and toughness. The jedi is already combat balanced.
Um KOTOR is not galaxies. One thing jedi CAN block the melee weapon it's jut not smart because if i block an axe part of the incernated weapons or pieces that didn't conect with the saber might still hit me.
You want to talk about jedi melee defense? HA, sure maybe when it exists. They have the defense tree which gives pitiful defenses for the amount of sp required so almost no jedi get it. And compared to a tk/fencer stacker or even just a single master of either of those profs their defense is nothing. Plus those people get cob. Saber block is the jedi equivelant of cob, making so it the battle is very one sided in the non-jedi's favor.
Vcardossk
Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:49 am
#26
HagakureL wrote:In Diablo II the assasin character was the anti-mage such should be the role of the TKM. I think (its been a while) that the lore behind the assasin was to control corrupted mages and in order to not become corrupted they stayed away from magic and instead used their inner strength as weapons. But they used magically enhanced weapons so I would say to stay along the same lines the TKM shouldn't use the force at all in order to avoid the corruption from the dark-side. Instead TKM's should be given Force Enhanced weapons.
The force itself can't enhance the weapons, that is mainly up to the ws to make the weapon better.
Only jedi's lightsabers are in tune with the force because they use that to make it and enhance their connection with it. Thus making the weapon and warrior one.