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Thread: I just.....I just dont get it...

SITHDUKE
Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:56 pm
#14

Excellent, how occasionally are we talkign about here and what messages in the combat window are we lookign for?


Lets asume Bigslim is running a CoB macro

soemthing like:


Bigslim attacks SithDuke for 300 points of damage.

SithDuke misses Bigslim.


Is that what we're looking for?




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Digitalphobia
Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:58 pm
#15

No no thats not what Im saying.

Look at your toon while you go to fight something. You will see it doing some unusual evade actions. This happens when you get.

Blah Blah uses Cho Mok but miss

It seems like Melee Def speaking but if you see your toons you will see it does something.

I know about the chitchat about melee def and dodge/counter/block. There is something else going on.

I am pretty happy with TKA right now. If kinetic doesn't work, you can whip out something else. I whip out my T21 or Disruptor. If you get outdamaged by a fencer, you can pick up fencer then you can meditate and do track load of damage. Anti-KD food is readly available too. I suppose if I were you make the best of the situation.

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raldurrm
Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:32 pm
#16

I guess you are all forgetting that after Intimidate and Stun fencer is worse than a novice swordsman In PvP...


wow you guys did a good job of flaming that guy... so what if he is a n00b alot of you were and still are noobs so go get a life and answer his questions properly.



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JMShunter
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:20 am
#17

what was the point in posting that? Why dont you wait till youre not a noob and then if you still feel the same way. Come back and post your thoughts again.



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P__Day
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:23 am
#18


Here's a thing about fencer, i used to be a Fencer/tkm with stun baton, dodge food and cob :


bla bla uses master headshot but you evade

bla bla uses master headshot but you evade

you use cho mok on bla bla for 300 points of damage

bla bla's advanced strafe misses you


now i put on my VK's and activate cob


Bla bla uses master headshot on you for 300 points of damage

you use spitting rawl on bla bla for 80 points of damage

bla bla uses master headshot on you for 400 points of damage

you use spitting rawl on bla bla for 87 points of damage

Bla bla uses master headshot on you but miss


You see fencer has working secondary defence and 10x the state defence of TKA


M.fencer

Alertness+10
Combat Equilibrium+30Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40Defense vs Intimidate+20
Defense vs Knockdown+50Defense vs Posture Change+50
Dodge+105Melee Defense+74
Melee Mitigation+3One-handed Melee Toughness+32
One-handed Weapon Accuracy+170One-handed Weapon Center of being duration+31
One-handed weapon Center of being efficacy+115One-handed Weapon Speed+90
Polearm Accuracy+10


TKM :


Combat Equilibrium+55
Defense Acuity+96Defense vs Blind+10
Defense vs Dizzy+5Defense vs Knockdown+20
Defense vs Posture Change+30Defense vs Stun+15
Meditate+100Melee Defense+62
Melee Mitigation+3Unarmed Accuracy+205
Unarmed Center of being duration+30Unarmed Center of being efficacy+90
Unarmed Damage+245Unarmed Speed+115
Unarmed Toughness+57


To keep adding here :


How many things in the game has 100% Def VS both Stun and kinetic?


How many have 100% VS kinetic.


What damage type is best in PvP


Fencer has the highest defence for one prof in The game. You can stack with pistoleer for more dodge, DA does not even work properly, +91 DA is like +10 dodge.


Fair enough remove meditation, but give tka 5x the state defence, give us 105 dodge, same as fencer, 2 new weapons with other damage types.


As for ham costs


My acklay stun baton


8 - 39 -34


Gaffi


56-34-17


Vibroknucklers


33-49-33


So my VK's have higher overall ham costs than both your weapons, not to mention health and action costs are removed by buffs. wielding a fencer weapon i dodge 9 out of 10 attacks


Tka i dodge maybe 1 out of 10.


Tka defences dont need a nerf, fencer needs to be severly nerfed for defences.

Massadonious
Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:49 am
#19






raldurrm wrote:

I guess you are all forgetting that after Intimidate and Stun fencer is worse than a novice swordsman In PvP...


wow you guys did a good job of flaming that guy... so what if he is a n00b alot of you were and still are noobs so go get a life and answer his questions properly.







There was no constructivequestions in his post other than the questions asking for a nerf. Even then, those questions were answered. Maybe you need to actually read the posts first.


So, why don't YOU get a life, instead of trolling these threads looking for a excuse to insult.


Loser.


EDIT: Sorry Ryutek...just read your post on how to respond to ignorance. I'll do better next time, promise.

Message Edited by Massadonious on 09-13-2004 01:52 AM



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Digitalphobia
Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:18 am
#20

Hey,

I checked my stats again. You ppl are absolutely right, we have comparably low status defenses.

Wearing some clothes should help but probably +50 stun. You'll probably have to eat some anti-intim and anti-kd food. I have seen +90 kd def food.

Nonetheless, we probably should get a bit more bonuses.

I am highly against getting rid of meditation. It is one of perks of being high level TKA. (The original poster probably isn't high level enough to see the TRUE effect of meditation. And, I am not about to become a doctor since it will stop me from doing OTHER things.)

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antares_Kauri
Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:47 am
#21




Digitalphobia wrote:

I checked my stats again. You ppl are absolutely right, we have comparably low status defenses.
Nonetheless, we probably should get a bit more bonuses.



TKA does have low status defenses, but they are low along with other professions who have much less in the way of all the other defenses as well. TKA is tied for lowest value for D vs blind, D vs KD, D vs intimidate, and has the lowest value alone for D vs dizzy. TKA does not have the lowest value for D vs posture change and stun. This is OFFSET by having extremely high toughness, melee and ranged defenses, combat equilibrium, meditation, etc. Here's an easy to read chart of the defensive stats.


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Iawo
Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:00 pm
#22

Theoriginal poster just sounds like a wannbe-leet fencer that just got his arse handed to him by a TKA that's stacked to the gills and knows how to PvP well. Guess what, there's more to PvP than stun damage!



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Shi_Dira
Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:43 pm
#23

TKM Defenses Only (No SEA or Defence Stacking:

Def vs Blind: +10
Def vs Dizzy: +5
Def vs Intimidate: nil
Def vs Knockdown: +20
Def vs posture Change (Down): +30
Def vs Stun: +15
Melee Defense: +62
Ranged Defense: +45
Dodge: nil
Defense Acuity: 96



Fencer Defenses Only (No SEA or Defence Stacking:

Def vs Blind: +40
Def vs Dizzy: +40
Def vs Intimidate: +20
Def vs Knockdown: +50
Def vs posture Change (Down): +50
Def vs Stun: nil
Melee Defense: +74
Ranged Defense: +69
Dodge: +105
Defense Acuity: nil

Message Edited by Shi_Dira on 09-13-2004 04:46 PM



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Atama
Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:50 pm
#24

Don't forget Combat Equilibrium. TKM: +55, Master Fencer: +30.

(Just wanted to add that for completeness.)



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antares_Kauri
Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:24 pm
#25

You compare the lowest overall state defenses with the highest. Why not compare with the other 2 melee to get a better picture? Link

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Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 09-13-2004 05:24 PM



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HurriwanShinobi
Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:30 pm
#26

It may or may not be apparent to everyone, but Swordsman overall is the best offense and defense proffessions of them all. Fairly high state defenses, mind hit/bleed, ability to apply a dizzy and a PD, secondary defense - Counterattack works extremely well, they also have the highest Toughness after TKM, they also get a blast weapon.


Pikeman may have some high state defenses, but we have block which takes damage aswell as states/posture changes and the lowest toughness. Also have one of the lowest DPS, without tapes and looted weaponary, our accuracy mods on our weapons are still worse that the power hammer.


TKM and Fencer are balanced proffs imo..... (without stacking) although TKMs Defense acuity doesnt really work.



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