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I have a friend who is a pikeman, and I can say without a doubt pikeman is the worst off of all the melee classes. The main reason, they have no accuracy whatsoever. She misses her target about 50% of the time, and so she gets eaten alive.

I can remember when they nerfed polarm accuracy. Before, she could solo missions as fast as anyone could. Then I was getting /tells from her saying how she was getting incapped by squalls and gorgs. Now if that isn't ridiculous, I dunno what is. Even someone with unarmed 1 doesn't get incapped by gorgs.

I also have 2 friends who are swordsman, and that class needs some help too. I dunno the particulars of swordsman, but they seem to have problems with defense. One is a trando and the other is a wookie, and they both get hit for at least 2x what I get hit for. While a piket on dantooine hits me for like 110 (I don't wear any armor) they are getting hit for like 250.

Like I said, I'm not as familiar with the other melee classes as I am with my own, but it seems to me we in the TK community have it much better than those classes do.

just my 2 cents

Fenixx

here is a post from the pikeman board from a lovely guy who bothered to tally the skills.....

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Ok...I've tallied up all the stats given to each of the brawler classes so that we can have a one-glance look at how each class stacks up to the other in terms of stats. Of course, I specifically put this together to compare pikemen to the others, but feel free to use it as you wish.

I believe I have all the numbers correct (as of 9/30), but if you see something incorrect, post a correction. And if you have some real stats that will help add to the overall picture, by all means, post an addition. (I had made a nice HTML table, only to find out the forums will allow you to preview tables, but not actually post them...)

All of these stats are what a Master of each class would have, without any other skills.

class|speed|accuracy|melee def|ranged def|toughness|
pikeman|75|110|20|15|26|
swordsman|75|110|20|15|38|
fencer|90|110|24|19|32|
tka|110|145|32|30|57|
In addition, we have the special defenses:
class|blind|dizzy|kd|pc|stun|intim.|equil.|dodge|counter|block|
pikeman|20|40|20|30|30|0|0|0|0|20|
swordsman|10|20|25|10|30|20|0|0|25|0|
fencer|20|20|40|40|0|20|30|25|0|0|
tka|10|5|20|30|15|0|55|0|0|0|

Note: Master Brawler adds +5 to toughness, melee def., ranged def., accuracy and speed for all brawler classes.
Also interesting to note is the ranged classes' melee defenses:

• Rifleman - +20
  
• Pistoleer - +13
  
• Carbineer - +0

antares
master pikeman

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maybe the melee defense and toughness will shed some light on why your freinds took so much damage comapared to you.

just thought you should know. we did NOT want the KD nerf, and you say to get master brawler polearm was the easiest this maybe but you cant compare it with the rest of a life as a pikeman... we have trouble killing some blues... YES blues... so well its kinda bad.. i wont stand here whineing just giveing info so please help us pikemen and the other melee as well.. ALL melee needs to get a bigger role in this game...

Xedshu

it seems like if some one says to fix their class without saying that other peoples need to be fixed to is like breaking some kind of peace treaty and you are tip-toeing on starting a war.

The rate at which pikeman earn xp is astounding. With unarmed I can get 100 points of xp on a lair going up the unarmed tree yet pikemen will get only 80 if that.

To be honest I wanted the use of the staff to be included in the TKA tree, but that's besides the point.

I've gone toe-to-toe with npc staff users and they hit faster than I do sometimes. Pikemen is a dedication class. You have to be willing to grind. It's quite disheartening to know that you finally made it to polearm 3 and need 70k polearm xp to achieve the last polearm tier in the brawler tree. It's even more disheartening to know that an unarmed fighter you started with and spent every moment hunting with since the game started, will get to novice TKA before you finish polearm 4; polearm 3 if you're lucky.

They do need support. I don't care that the devs say they are supposed to be the rifle class of the brawler tree. They may not be able to swing as fast as a swordsman in game. BTW have you seen any martial arts movies where a fighter with a staff can't meet the parrys of a fencer or strides of a swordsman? I find it ridiculous and wish pikemen the best. Those people have true dedication to their profession and deserve to reap amazing benefits because of it.

Well Ive really seen them cause incredible damage. Truth is that they do seem a bit slow compared to npc (then again Ive seen some swing a vibro lance extremely fast), but I thought that improved once higher on the skill branch and with a good weapon and a slice. I remember a post for TKA in which TKA said that once the other profesions got high on their skills, they were getting to just a little bit slower than TKA but with the damage they caused it was not a problem (speed should always be better for tka to compensate for not using weapons).

If the problem is accuracy, this should be given to them or improved. I dont know why devs think that a staff or lance is not an acurate weapon. Sure its not acurate if the opponents are to close to be able to swing the weapon but with the rigth distance between to oponents can and is extremely dangerous. I ve seen my sensei do katas with the JO or staff, and its amazing how fast and accurate he is with it.

My advice concernning acuracy would be:

TKA ideal range of attack, 0-3 meters, up to maybe 5.

fencers ideal range of attack 2-5, maybe up to 6.

Swordsman ira 4-7, maybe 8

Pikeman ira 6-10.

The greater the distance a better dodge bonus against melee classses (against ranged the exact opposite, because its harder to move around with a weapon). Speed and damage I would leave trhe same for all clases or if improved, then it should still be proportionate with how it is right now.

Personally Im a TKA but if I were to change brawler profesions I would go for Polearm. Like I have mentioned before Ive seen them kick major @$$, and look incredibly cool.

Ok you guys want to bring up distances....that is not a reason to say Pikemen are powerful cause they are not. Since my post i have taken several hunting with me already and they are so pitiful. They Miss thier targets about 30% of the time.

As for their damage, yeah it is decent but man they suffer worse on their HAM using special moves than we do. Guys Pikemen ARE hurting otherwise there would be more of them around. There are not, in fact I hardle EVER see one anymore so stop all the garbage exagurations about how powerful they are because they are not and they need help.

I havent seen anyone post that they do not need help.

In my case all I ve said is that I have seen a few do well in battle. At least against NPC's.

All classes need help some maybe more than others. I agree on Pikeman needing more than TKA, thats where the suggestions come in.

Power they have, perhaps not accuracy and great cost on hams. But if it is true that this issues will be solved for TKA, I do not see why they wont be fixed for PM.

Oh...... and by the way I do believe distances should play some sort of role in the game!

Dude your are completely uninformed or really hard hearted for these guys....read this link below:

These are Pikemen in the forum it is heartbreaking.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pikeman&message.id=2921

Uninformed probably, Im just telling you what Ive experinced and heard from other players. I do believe they do need changes, and hopefully this will come for everyone especially those who need it the most.

Like I said Ive always considered PM, maybe i like underdogs, who knows. I will support them in any way I can as I will support any other class.

If the problem you see with my post is due to range of attack, this definately needs improvement for all classes. All Im trying to ssay is that a TKA should not be as accuratre as a PM at 10 meters or vice versa when the distance is 3.

Thx for the link, Ill read it now.

Well I read it and it sucks that a few pople are not happy and quitting. But I ve read the same posts from TKA. Not just any TKA but more than one master. After getting to master quiting and not wanting to do anything else with the game. All profesions have problems and we need to support all clases in order to make them better.

The problem I see is when will it be enough. People are always going to want more, will complain about how much better the other profesion is etc...... This game is realtively new. I thinks devs are trying to work on a million if not more issues to improve the game on a daily basis. Its all amatter of pattience. Yes it can be frustrating, but its only a game. If everytime the going gets tough we ar going to quit we might all as well quit now. There will always be something to complain about and something we wont like. I do not think all profesions should be equally powerfull. If we are all equall where is the fun in that. We have to combine with other profesions in order to make our character competitive in thw SWG univrse.

What Im trying to say is that we all need to be patient. we are playing a highly complex game, new in the market and with plenty of room for improvement.

All profesions have sufered at some point or another. Not to far back comandos were useless. Now they are better, true, but they still have room for improvement. So Ive heard.

Im going to stop rambling now. I will support PM so that their profesion is improved. I just dont think that crying and bitching will get anything solved. This will only piss off the devs. We need to do it through constructive criticism.

By the way I still dont think they have it that bad. At least not from what Ive experience. Their can of woop @$$ was a lot bigger than mine and I was higher on the skill branch.

Dude that was just a sample of what is there everyday...and it is all the same. We at lest argue over differnet things....there are some Teras that are happy witht the profession and some that are not.

The difference is, is that these guys are ALL on the same page. There has to be something wrong.

And no, not everyone says the same thing to that extent. It is overtly and undeniably obvious that these guys are suffering and everyone knows it but you.

I have fought with these guys side by side and it shows. Now I am not going to try to convince you anymore, do really think that I, a Teras Expert would really take time out of my day to help another class unless it where warrented?

Thats it...if you are still apathetic to these guys then shame on you for being able to see pst you own nose.