Tailor Archive
Thread: i've had bad experiences with tailors
ItemCreator
Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:58 am
#15
Although I hate to jump into an argument like this to be honest with you chefs do not *need* trim. They want trim because it means the brandy will have a higher quantity/number of servings and can therefore be sold for more.
I won't make schematics for anything except the wookiee armour padding but then I keep crates of trim, synth cloth, reinforced fiber panels and fiberplast panels available in my store. However, keeping them stocked is sometimes a bit of a nightmare so I can see why many tailors would not bother. After all, a lot of tailors are tailors to make clothing, this is what they enjoy, its not fair to expect them to change to suit you.
Best thing to do is to ask on your trade boards for a tailor who stocks trim, someone did on Infinity the other day and ended up with a few names and vendors to choose from. With us being considered the smallest server you should be able to find some on yours too.
Kel
I won't make schematics for anything except the wookiee armour padding but then I keep crates of trim, synth cloth, reinforced fiber panels and fiberplast panels available in my store. However, keeping them stocked is sometimes a bit of a nightmare so I can see why many tailors would not bother. After all, a lot of tailors are tailors to make clothing, this is what they enjoy, its not fair to expect them to change to suit you.
Best thing to do is to ask on your trade boards for a tailor who stocks trim, someone did on Infinity the other day and ended up with a few names and vendors to choose from. With us being considered the smallest server you should be able to find some on yours too.
Kel
Ani_cul
Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:30 am
#16
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
Aynianu wrote:
On a brighter note, i may try doing some trim runs, and getting some flora resources together and seeing if a chef would do a schematic for brandy for me
I wont get my hopes up tho.
You mention that it is not in the game mechanics for chefs to make schematics for people, yet it IS for tailors to make schematics for chefs? does that not strike you as odd?
The game mechanics exist for both, yet the 'intended' way for both is to buy finished items from other crafters.
You making me a schematic for brandy is no less intended than me making you a schematic for trim, except the cost/time on brandy is higher. (and 20+ tries to get a good brandy schematic? i can only assume your exaggerating terriably, or doing something very wrong)
Message Edited by Aynianu on 01-30-2005 12:12 AM
lol exaggerating? ask ANY good chef you want. to make good stuff you have to experiment a lot. sometimes up to 30-40 tries. since the quality matters you have to keep experimenting. architect and tailor dont matter tho
A-yup here is where I stop following this thread,
architects resources DO MATTER, alot
and just because a tailor may not expeirment on clothing does not mean a thing
You attitude is poor towards this profession
and belive it or not
not all tailors have money problems,
or try and screw people out of credits
I have always looked at professions equally
it is the people themselves that are below standard
have fun with your trim as I am sure most every tailor from your server who comes here is now forwarned of your greivous attitude
BE Well
Aori
Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:12 am
#17
I have no problem making schematics. I've made schems for Chefs and Armorsmiths several times in the past, and even have a vendor where I sell the crates of components. I'd much rather make a schematic if someone wantsa LARGE amount of crates than have to run all those crates myself, when I'm using my factoriesforthe other things I need made.However, perhaps it could be the way you approach them. This can be a big issue with me.If I get attitude from someone, I may returntheattitude.Though schems only take a couple minutes to make, its not exactly fair to expect someone to drop everything they are doing to rush to you the very second you need something from them. The tailor profession can be very busy and time consuming, and tailors even like to enjoy a break every once in a while. If I get a tell asking for a schem while I'm finally taking a break from restocking and I'm out with friends on some random planet in the middle of no where, I'm probably not going to be very forthcoming with leaving to meet you to make a schem either, but I'd at least schedule a time to meet with you later if I was unavailable at the time. Maybe that's something you can suggest with a tailor, if they are unavailable to make you a schem at the moment...a time to schedule a meeting for this when they are available. Just remember to be courteous and respectful. I know that if I get the attitude from a person where they treat me like the only purpose I have in this game is to craft them stuff and serve their very needs the second they need it, I probably won't be as helpful. So just keep in mind, that just because it may take a couple minutes to make, it also requires dropping everything and potentially travelling acrossed the galaxy, and that takes much longer. Usually sending an email requesting an schem and asking if there is a time they'd be available to meet with you...and then following it up with tells later is a good combination. If you're respectful and understanding about it, you shouldn't get too much of a problem.
FuschiaD
Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:57 am
#18
Hmm... you asked five tailors and they ALL turned you down...?
I don't know about anyone else, but that would indicate to me that the source of the problem may lie not with them, but with... *sweet smile*
HippieKender
Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:46 am
#19
Let's look at it this way ... a run of 1000 trim is 40 crates. Say the tailor sells the crates for 2k each (a fair price on my server), if you were to pay for each crate, you're talking about 80,000 credits. Even if the tailor gives you a discount for using your own supplies, 5,000 credits doesnt even compare!
I, myself, do not sell schematics. I will, however, sell crates of finished product - either using my resources, or yours (prices reflect this). I have also just set up a components vendor. Instead of getting irritated with the tailors who won't sell you a schematic, why don't you try asking if they would be willing to make a run of trim for you, using your supplies. If I were you I would consider asking the tailor what their fee would be for this (not offer them something you consider fair, possibly insulting the tailor). If you don't like their fee, try another tailor. You should expect to pay though - even if they are using your resources. You are paying for their expertise and time, not to mention use of their factory etc. If you find a tailor willing to do this for you, then possibly you should ask if they are willing to make a schematic for you for next time. If not, don't be insulted, or insult the tailor. If they are willing, let them quote you a price!All else fails? Search the planetary map for components vendors.Hope this helps a little!
Message Edited by HippieKender on 01-30-2005 09:47 AM
Gyopi
Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:47 am
#20
Hmm... I think that maybe a different approach to asking for trim schematics to be made would go a long way in fixing your problems. There are a few things that are real turn offs in making schematics for people.The first one is when someone tells how many schematics they want and how much they are going to pay for them. Remember that there are two of us involved in this transaction and we both have the right to negotiate. Personally I have close to 30 million credits in the bank at this point of the game (I have been at tailoring for a very long time and don't have many things to buy anymore). 20K is not going to make much difference to me. I *do* need various foods though. I need brandy, canape and veghash mostly so when I make trim orders for chefs I go by the barter system. For every full run of trim I ask for a crate (or sometimes two if it seems appropriate) of food to use. So far no one has objected. That crate of food may sell for 100K, but it costs a whole lot less to make.
The other thing that usually turns me off is if the other person comes to me with an aire of superiority. Coming to me with the idea that my products are cheap, that they aren't worth anything, that because I do not experiment (with experimentation points) that I don't put any work into my profession or that my profession is somehow fru-fruy and is not worth a lot will not get you far.
Anyway, I am sure you can find someone to make trim for you but I think you will be more successful if you approach the tailor as an equal and not as an inferior. Be willing to negotiate the price and keep in mind that even though our crafting styles are different that one is not better than the other and I don't think you will have trouble finding a trim supplier.
TheNola
Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:50 am
#21
Making a schematic does not allow you to profit. You will not make a schematic of Brandies because you will not profit. Same with tailors. I do not believe there are no tailors that sell crates of trim. Whenever I shop around vendors, I always find at least one vendor selling crates of components. You just haven't looked hard enough.
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
Imean here's the deal: player comes to me for a brandy schematic. i answer to him: sorry i can't make you a brandy schematic because i simply paid 30 mil credits for my chef suit. BUT you have the option of going to my vendor and purchasing it at a fair price. however i do not know any tailors that sell full runs of trim crates so i can buy it.
You already have a badmindset about tailors, therefore when you speak with one, your words will tell a tailor how you feel. It is probably courteous to you, but rude to a tailor. Chances are, you will have better luck finding a schematic or even crates of trim if your attitude was changed.
TheNola
Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:57 am
#22
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
ask ANY good chef you want. to make good stuff you have to experiment a lot. sometimes up to 30-40 tries. since the quality matters you have to keep experimenting. architect and tailor dont matter tho
Experimentation is within the skill, same with tailor. It is the skill that is worth the money. What does it matter anyway with experimentation? If you were to make a schematic, it won't be your resources anyway, just a little bit of your time. Just like you said... right?
Aynianu
Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:00 am
#23
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
Aynianu wrote:
On a brighter note, i may try doing some trim runs, and getting some flora resources together and seeing if a chef would do a schematic for brandy for me
I wont get my hopes up tho
You mention that it is not in the game mechanics for chefs to make schematics for people, yet it IS for tailors to make schematics for chefs? does that not strike you as odd?
The game mechanics exist for both, yet the 'intended' way for both is to buy finished items from other crafters.
You making me a schematic for brandy is no less intended than me making you a schematic for trim, except the cost/time on brandy is higher. (and 20+ tries to get a good brandy schematic? i can only assume your exaggerating terriably, or doing something very wrong)
Message Edited by Aynianu on 01-30-2005 12:12 AM
lol exaggerating? ask ANY good chef you want. to make good stuff you have to experiment a lot. sometimes up to 30-40 tries. since the quality matters you have to keep experimenting. architect and tailor dont matter tho
Im Tailor/Chef myself and ive never failed more than 5 in a row let alone 30-40, you must be doing something wrong dear.
xxx-master-xxx
Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:24 am
#24
Aynianu wrote:
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
Aynianu wrote:On a brighter note, i may try doing some trim runs, and getting some flora resources together and seeing if a chef would do a schematic for brandy for meI wont get my hopes up thoYou mention that it is not in the game mechanics for chefs to make schematics for people, yet it IS for tailors to make schematics for chefs? does that not strike you as odd?The game mechanics exist for both, yet the 'intended' way for both is to buy finished items from other crafters.You making me a schematic for brandy is no less intended than me making you a schematic for trim, except the cost/time on brandy is higher. (and 20+ tries to get a good brandy schematic? i can only assume your exaggerating terriably, or doing something very wrong)Message Edited by Aynianu on 01-30-2005 12:12 AM
lol exaggerating? ask ANY good chef you want. to make good stuff you have to experiment a lot. sometimes up to 30-40 tries. since the quality matters you have to keep experimenting. architect and tailor dont matter thoIm Tailor/Chef myself and ive never failed more than 5 in a row let alone 30-40, you must be doing something wrong dear.
it's not about failing. it's about getting double amazings so youre giving the good stuff to people
NJ62
Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:49 am
#25
I agree with Gyopi. Most tailors have enough money that they don't want to make schematics.
Think of it this way.
I charge 6k for most flightsuits. Now, when I am stocking my vendor, it takes me about 30 seconds to make such a flightsuit, which will earn me 6k. Let's say the materials are worth 1k, so the profit to me is 5k.
Now let's say you offer me 5k to make you a schematic. Well that takes significantly more time. Even if you come to my shop, we have to arrange a time, trade the materials, make the schematic, trade it back... that will sometimes be 10 minutes or so. The same 5k of profit for considerably more hassle.
Plus, most tailors take joy in the creativity of making actual garments. There is no fun or joy in making components. So this activity is unfun.
I also agree with Gyopi that a barter system is a lot better. I have NEVER traded trim to a chef without getting some brandy in return. It's worth it to me to give over an entire 40 boxes of trim rather than to waste hours trying to find a stocked brandy vendor. In other words, I want the convenience of not having to look for brandy, which is far more valuable than a sum of cash. Then, and only then, is it worth the inconvenience of making the schematic.
Think of it this way.
I charge 6k for most flightsuits. Now, when I am stocking my vendor, it takes me about 30 seconds to make such a flightsuit, which will earn me 6k. Let's say the materials are worth 1k, so the profit to me is 5k.
Now let's say you offer me 5k to make you a schematic. Well that takes significantly more time. Even if you come to my shop, we have to arrange a time, trade the materials, make the schematic, trade it back... that will sometimes be 10 minutes or so. The same 5k of profit for considerably more hassle.
Plus, most tailors take joy in the creativity of making actual garments. There is no fun or joy in making components. So this activity is unfun.
I also agree with Gyopi that a barter system is a lot better. I have NEVER traded trim to a chef without getting some brandy in return. It's worth it to me to give over an entire 40 boxes of trim rather than to waste hours trying to find a stocked brandy vendor. In other words, I want the convenience of not having to look for brandy, which is far more valuable than a sum of cash. Then, and only then, is it worth the inconvenience of making the schematic.
Aynianu
Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:01 pm
#26
Im sorry to say, but i refuse to do schematics also. I allways have with all proffessions ive played. I simply do not beleive it is right to give out your class skills like that, it cost me a lot of time and skill points (cant be bothered to count the skill points) to Master Tailor. I dont give out my skills lightly, so someone else can profit from my skill points.
If i was pushed i would sell a schematic, but it wont be for nothing, as i said, i dont give out my skills for others to profit lightly.
If someone asked for a factory run of 1000 Trim from me, i would charge half the cost of 1000 trims as if i crafted them myself with my own resources.
Iwould charge200k per factory run of Trim(if i sold them.) So if i made a schematic for 1000 trim, i would charge 100k for just the schematic alone.
So far ive never done either, i dont sell sub components nor do i do schematics for others, it feels inefficient to me, and just not fun. But with enough persuasion those would be prices i would set.