Tailor Archive
Thread: i've had bad experiences with tailors
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xxx-master-xxx
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:26 am
#1
i am a chef on bria server, and i've always had problems with tailors making "trim" schematics for me. i dont know why but they seem not to want to do it. and when i ask them if you wont make me the schematic why don't you make the trim and sell it to me? they just ignore it. devs made it so that professions in this game depend on each other. so why do some tailors have this bad attitude towards making schematics for others?
here's the response of the last tailor i asked: "i just woke up. not going to make anything for a bit sorry." how long does it really take to make a schematic????
here's the response of the last tailor i asked: "i just woke up. not going to make anything for a bit sorry." how long does it really take to make a schematic????
Message Edited by xxx-master-xxx on 01-29-2005 12:27 PM
g0nzo
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:12 am
#2
some tailors don't see any profit in making a schematic, or they feel resentful that the devs decided our "interdepence" on crafters would be supplying components that we either don't use AT ALL (i.e. wookiee pillows) or ones that we use a LOT. I don't personally stock crates of components, unless I need inventory room, then I'll list a few on my vendors.
I don't know why the tailor wouldn't make you a schematic, unless you were a. rude, b. expecting it for free, c. they had had bad experiences making schems in the past, d. selling their own crates and didn't want to cut into their profits, or e. some other personal reason.
If a person is willing to come to me, provide the resources and pay 10k for my skills/time, I will make them schematics. But if they are rude, or i am in the middle of killing stuff, I'll ask them to find another tailor.
xxx-master-xxx
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:13 am
#3
when tailors sell their clothes for less than 5k, with their own resources, making a schem for 5k each with my OWN resources should not be a problem. and no i was not rude.
Jutewr
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:42 am
#4
Well, I don't know what the reasons were in your specific case, but my reasons for not making schematics or components (except for a few times that guildies asked) basically boil down to: I don't want to. I don't have time to make everything that a tailor/architect can make, keep 8 vendors stocked, run our city's mall, and keep up-to-date lists of our guild members and citizens. I have to choose some things to not do. I have chosen not to make components/schematics from tailor, and I only make furniture from architect. I do think that it was wrong of the devs to put something that chefs need into tailoring, but there's not much I can do about it except suggest that the person asking me should find a different tailor.
g0nzo
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:49 am
#5
I think it was just a case then of finding the wrong tailor for the job. /shrug
Sorry you had such a bad experience, not all tailors will refuse to help a person.
isela
Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:28 pm
#6
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
when tailors sell their clothes for less than 5k, with their own resources, making a schem for 5k each with my OWN resources should not be a problem. and no i was not rude.
I sell lots of factory runs of trim and do make chematics for people that I know well. But to say that making it for certain amount shouldn't be a problem it is one. First how would you like if someone came to you and asked you to make them schematic for Brandy with their resources for 5k. It takes the same time to make it .
The problem is that people of other profesions think they are very generous to offer 5k for something to a tailor. Some of them think it is generous to offer 500credits.
Next time ask them how much they would charge for it.
Ani_cul
Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:45 pm
#7
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
i am a chef on bria server, and i've always had problems with tailors making "trim" schematics for me. i dont know why but they seem not to want to do it. and when i ask them if you wont make me the schematic why don't you make the trim and sell it to me? they just ignore it. devs made it so that professions in this game depend on each other. so why do some tailors have this bad attitude towards making schematics for others?
here's the response of the last tailor i asked: "i just woke up. not going to make anything for a bit sorry." how long does it really take to make a schematic????
Message Edited by xxx-master-xxx on 01-29-2005 12:27 PM
the biggest thing you have to keep in mind: it our choice
For any proffesion that depends on another we MUST realize it is their option to do so, not our right.
GoldMemberBria
Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:16 pm
#8
from your tone, I'm not surprised people are not exactly lining up to help you. You seem to think it's some entitlement of yours to get trim. Well, it's not. If someone wants to, they will, and it up to you to make them want to.
And as for your "generous" 5k offer. That's just rediculous imo. You actually expect someone to stop what they're doing, and do something for you for 5k? with your attitude? wow. I'm surprised anyone answers your tells at all. I can only imagine how many people have you on their ignore list by now.
Message Edited by GoldMemberBria on 01-29-2005 08:48 PM
TheNola
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:07 pm
#9
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
when tailors sell their clothes for less than 5k, with their own resources, making a schem for 5k each with my OWN resources should not be a problem. and no i was not rude.
I disagree. It is not "just a schematic", nor is it just worth 5K. It is the skill that is worth the money, not to mention that it takes up a tailor'stime too. True, it does not take more than a minute to make a schematic and trade it off, but it's not about time duration. Just the usefulness of a single schematic is worth at least (the very very least)20K.
How other crafters feel about tailors make tailors feel that they are only useful to make schematics for the crafter's own advantage.
Would you make a schematic of Vasarian Brandy for a customer if he/she provided his/her own resources for 5K credits? I think not.
xxx-master-xxx
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:29 pm
#10
isela wrote:
xxx-master-xxx wrote:
when tailors sell their clothes for less than 5k, with their own resources, making a schem for 5k each with my OWN resources should not be a problem. and no i was not rude.I sell lots of factory runs of trim and do make chematics for people that I know well. But to say that making it for certain amount shouldn't be a problem it is one. First how would you like if someone came to you and asked you to make them schematic for Brandy with their resources for 5k. It takes the same time to make it .
The problem is that people of other profesions think they are very generous to offer 5k for something to a tailor. Some of them think it is generous to offer 500credits.
Next time ask them how much they would charge for it.
sorry if it seems i have a bad attitude but i had a long day. anyways i was very polite to the tailors. and i offered 5k per schematic and i usually get tailors to make me 10 schems at once so that's 50k in 2 minutes. and no brandy is not as easy to make. you have to experiment on it usually 20+ tries. i may refuse to make a brandy schematic because it's not in the game mechanics that you go to a chef and ask for a brandy schem. but it is intended that chefs go to tailors for their trim schematics. now if all the tailors have the attitude of refusing to make schematics they are stopping the economy. i mean here's the deal: player comes to me for a brandy schematic. i answer to him: sorry i can't make you a brandy schematic because i simply paid 30 mil credits for my chef suit. BUT you have the option of going to my vendor and purchasing it at a fair price. however i do not know any tailors that sell full runs of trim crates so i can buy it.
Ani_cul
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:45 pm
#11
once again you fail to see,
it is the tailors right to say no.
no matter what reason you may give for telling a pleyer no for a schem yourself,
every crafter has that exact same right to refuse service for whatever reason they fancy period
it is not game stopping, it does not ruin the economy, it is not your priveledge to use other professions
stop dealing with it as a 'why cant you just make a schem problem',
and start realizing its a' tailors are not a schem bot reality'
Posting on your trade forums that you seek
a tailor to make schems please reply with cost per combine
or
atailor who provides componants on vendor , please provide wp
most people who can recommend someone will
I also would note, emailing a sound and polite business offer usually stands better then anything in a tell.
I start all mine with introduing myself and my profession then explaining why i contacted them.
if they don't respond to email at least i didnt annoy their chat.
No matter how the interaction is designed by the devs to be, we are the game, us the players, it is our choices that raise the game high or bring it crashing down.
xxx-master-xxx
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:04 am
#12
Ani_cul wrote:once again you fail to see,it is the tailors right to say no.no matter what reason you may give for telling a pleyer no for a schem yourself,every crafter has that exact same right to refuse service for whatever reason they fancy periodit is not game stopping, it does not ruin the economy, it is not your priveledge to use other professionsstop dealing with it as a 'why cant you just make a schem problem',and start realizing its a' tailors are not a schem bot reality'Posting on your trade forums that you seeka tailor to make schems please reply with cost per combineora tailor who provides componants on vendor , please provide wpmost people who can recommend someone willI also would note, emailing a sound and polite business offer usually stands better then anything in a tell.I start all mine with introduing myself and my profession then explaining why i contacted them.if they don't respond to email at least i didnt annoy their chat.No matter how the interaction is designed by the devs to be, we are the game, us the players, it is our choices that raise the game high or bring it crashing down.
no. you fail to see. ok 1 tailor says no, no problem. but when you ask 5 tailors and they all say no something is wrong. i have noticed that this is their arguement: other crafters make a lot more money than us, so we should screw them however we can. call me crazy but trust me, this is how a lot of them feel. which is not good. if you don't like the money simply don't be a tailor. here's a conversation:
me: hi. i am a chef. i was wondering if you could make me a few trim schematics for a price?
tailor: no
me: may i ask why?
tailor: youre already making too much money, you dont need to make anymore
me: perhaps if you don't like to be bothered with these things you should take your master tailor tag off.
Message Edited by xxx-master-xxx on 01-30-2005 02:05 AM
Parody
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:48 am
#13
I'm sorry you've run into some trouble finding a Tailor to make schematics for you. However, it is their perogative whether or not to make schematics for people. I've known quite a few Tailors who don't make schematics. (I don't do it either, but I run a crate vendor.)
What I would recommend you do is look in the in-game vendors list, Forum Tailors list, and the Bria Trade Forum for Tailors who run crate vendors. I'm not the only Tailor on Intrepid who runs a crate vendor; given that Bria has a much higher population I bet there's a few.
What I would recommend you do is look in the in-game vendors list, Forum Tailors list, and the Bria Trade Forum for Tailors who run crate vendors. I'm not the only Tailor on Intrepid who runs a crate vendor; given that Bria has a much higher population I bet there's a few.
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