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Thread: About Dual Wielding
but we need bigger meaner looking weapons.... Like a neat Flamberge or some nasty huge axe...
they can have all the multiple weapons they want... I just want bigger meaner ones
Dian_Wei wrote:
Fencer = One small easily-wielded weapon
Swordsman = One not-so-easy-to-wield weapon
Neither fit. Quite frankly the only melee class that exists in SWG that would be suited to dual wield (applying all commonly held beliefs for melee classes)would be the Teras Kasi. Two VKs seems more realistic than two huge mauls or a tiny little bothan "fencing" with two weapons. Lets face it, fencers don't use two weapons except when they are in way too deep, and even then their second weapon is usually a dagger. Even the great Samurai used one 1.5 hand sword and one short sword...not two 1.5 hand swords.
Now I think I'll just sit back and wait until I see a pikeman beating nunas into a pulp with two sticks.
If we're talking realism, my minimum height/near-minimum weightBothan shouldn't be able to lift her powerhammer, let alone swing it as fast as she does. But that's not the point. Consider for a moment that fencers use not only one-handed swords, but also batons. There are a fair number of fighting styles that employ a pair of batons. In that sense, dual-wield is fitting for fencers. There's also the rapier/main gauche argument and the variants of that style. But when it comes to dual-wield for heavier weapons like we use there really aren't too many precedents. I could see it with the two-handed curved, maybe…but nothing else we use could possibly be weighted to one-handed use. You'd be flying all over the place trying to swing a pair of powerhammers…just silly. It'd look cool, but still very silly. (But hey, if they want to give it to us I'd walk around with a pair of hammers.)
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Still can't back yourself up can you?
I'm only suggesting that since you obviously is so very into a fighting style which isn't a Heavy Swordsman fighting style, then you obviously should get the class with the fighting style, i.e. fencer, and stop trying to change ours. Heavy Swordsmen, wield two-handed weapons, weapons which requires two hands to wield one weapon. And it would be ridiculues to all of a sudden gives us one handed weapons to dualwield as well, and by that creating confusion about what class we really are.
If you wear two light weapons, it does not make it "heavy".
I think the devs needs to specify this a little better, as some people clearly has a problem in seing it.
Change the title to Heavy Swordsman, and two-haded to two-armed.
Noxferatu wrote:
About the lamest reply I've ever seen, no offence mate.
The fact that you have no argument to back yourself up with, kinda just confirms my suggestion on you being a nice object for a fencer class. As you said youself "dualwield looks cool", well, thus it shoulden't matter to you which class you are, consequently, you could go fencer and stop bugging us.
And don't tell people what professions to do. Kinda like saying, "If you don't like it you can geetttttt out!"
Message Edited by OnlyMaestro on 03-24-2004 03:30 PM
Fencer = One small easily-wielded weapon
Swordsman = One not-so-easy-to-wield weapon
Neither fit. Quite frankly the only melee class that exists in SWG that would be suited to dual wield (applying all commonly held beliefs for melee classes)would be the Teras Kasi. Two VKs seems more realistic than two huge mauls or a tiny little bothan "fencing" with two weapons. Lets face it, fencers don't use two weapons except when they are in way too deep, and even then their second weapon is usually a dagger. Even the great Samurai used one 1.5 hand sword and one short sword...not two 1.5 hand swords.
Now I think I'll just sit back and wait until I see a pikeman beating nunas into a pulp with two sticks.
The japanese did have a "two sword" style used by some samurai. It was called Niten(sp) and pioneered by Murimoto Musashi (sp). He was the first to utilize both swords at one time, though it did spread a bit after he began using it. However, most of the samurai considered it dishonorable and the act of a coward. He justified his actions by the belief that the samurai's job was to defend his lord and he could do that much better weilding two swords instead of just one. The practice never truly caught on though and the standard two-hands on the single katana style was the most predominate.
Also, while it would be nice to have two weapons. I do have to agree with many of the other posters here. The majority of our weapons are either very heavy or very long. These almost require two hands to weild properly for the best damage and speed.
I would much rather they give us a more versatile supply of weapons and a few more special attacks as opposed to having us try to fight while using (2) long bladed weapons or the equivalent to (2) 15 to 20 pound sledgehammers. We'd have to all be the size of wookies or tradoshan then.
Till I see you in game,
Kordaaf Stormforge
Ranger, Swordsman, vagabond and general wanderer.
PS - my appologies for any spellingerrors or historical inaccuracies. I am pulling thisfrom information that I haven't referenced in a very long time.
WarFerret wrote:
Compared to a foil/epee - the single handed lightweight blade of a fencer, a katana, cleaver and scythe, being 2 handed swords are all considerably heavier, but that's not the point;
All of our weapons require 2 hands to wield effectively, either because they're heavy, in the case of the power hammer, or because they're long, in the case of the scythe and curved sword.
This is why we can't be dual wielders, we don't have 4 hands.
Many Samurai dual weilded Katanas, most used the combination of Katana/Wakisashi but the most popular Samurai in Miyamoto Musashi made the dual weild popular with a style called Two Heavens, which uses Dual Katana Swords.
Don't get me wrong I am not begging to dual weild Power hammers like some Barbarian from Diablo 2 but I just felt the need to correct your assessment on who uses dual weapons. Classes or even the names of the classes have little to do with whether a dual weild makes sense or not. From experience with actual swords I can sum it up to strength, skill and confidence with your weapon. The thing I wonder is if they will motion capture a dual weilding actor for the skill or will fencers still do the same moves just holding another weapon, if it's the latter then they can keep it.
I'm sure before Episode 2 alot of you same guys that continue to compare us with Riflemen would think it stupid to dual-weild light-sabers too but Anakin made it look believable. Look a most other MMORPGs, especially the fantasy ones and see who and what type of weapons get Dual weilds. Simply put, the decision for who gets it was not scientific, they simply chose two classes and announced it.
Btw. I have never seen anyone dual weilding an Epee, Foil or Rapier. The term fencer should probably be changed if we're gonna be literal.
I think fencers should get dual wield because in real life i have trained to duel wield batons that look like stun batons and small swords such as the rantok.
I also think Swordsman should be able to duel wield if they are a wookie or may even one or the lizards. Because those are the only races that i can imagine holding two huge swords or hammers. I mean our two handed curved sword is just as big as a bothan.
And for that samuri who duel wielded katanas wich i know of very well his swords were less than 3feet long.