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Thread: Swordman PvP guide
APEist_theReb
Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:03 pm
#40
AriasImmortal wrote:
BTW, I'd highly recommend citros snowcake in PvP. the accuracy increase is a godsend for those of us using hammers (horrible range mods). And it couldn't hurt for those using scythes.
bah. i find steak much more useful. if u have a +5 acc and above scythe all u need to do is intimidate. ull be hitting them plenty. even vs. ranged players ive learned not to waste time using my powerhammer. its still plenty easy with scythe
Jani
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:09 pm
#41
Oh man, great guide. I should have read it before I attempted to PvP with my master sword/ master doc template. I got rocked by a TKM, big time!
Of course, I only had buffs, I didn't even have my armor on, the TKM had armor, but no buffs (besides whatever food and brandy he was eating).
Just KD/Dizzy'd me.
I will have to find a macro using a dizzy stimpack to counter that... lol, i forgot I could make dizzy stimpacks!! I'm such a n00b, but this guide is a great help!
Aningo Mandingo
Shadowfire
AriasImmortal
Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:50 pm
#42
i dont use a scythe... and the -39 range mods on my powerhammer really hurt.
so anyone who uses a powerhammer (aka all you speedcapped PvPers) use citros.
so anyone who uses a powerhammer (aka all you speedcapped PvPers) use citros.
Noc-turnal
Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:11 pm
#43
AriasImmortal wrote:
i dont use a scythe... and the -39 range mods on my powerhammer really hurt.
so anyone who uses a powerhammer (aka all you speedcapped PvPers) use citros.
My recomendation is to carry both. i myself and a speed capper, and i use my scyth mainly. A) better range mod more success rate on the all vital dizzy posture/kd. B) against meleer with damage migration scyth will do more damage on average than a standard power hammer (a good acklay one will push you well beyond the scyth)
Power hammer i personaly recommend against range fighter with no melee migration (wait didnt i say all this on the guide?)
In the end this is just a guide it never meant to be your bible only to help you find the right direction 
(plus i would never reveal all my secreats not even my own guildies )
(plus i would never reveal all my secreats not even my own guildies )
sirlonghair
Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:20 pm
#44
ok as i am new to swordsman, the main question i have for you veterans is how well does the medium armor piercing work with the uber armor out there. i was doing head hit with a 615 dmg hammer and seemed to be hitting on average 200 points dmg is this the best it gets or could someone please give some basic info on this i would really appreciate. take it easy everyone and have a good day. also i am master swordsman, thx
Noc-turnal
Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:15 pm
#45
sirlonghair wrote:
ok as i am new to swordsman, the main question i have for you veterans is how well does the medium armor piercing work with the uber armor out there. i was doing head hit with a 615 dmg hammer and seemed to be hitting on average 200 points dmg is this the best it gets or could someone please give some basic info on this i would really appreciate. take it easy everyone and have a good day. also i am master swordsman, thx
I dont know the excate formular for this but our AP2 (miduim armour piecing) do not make that much different at all sadly. it's one of the issue our great correspondant have said as a heavy hitter we have problem with piecing heavy armour. infact in pvp only thing that really gets through armour well enough is the stun damage. 
sad fact i'm affraid
sad fact i'm affraid
ArteX2
Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:36 am
#47
Bah i dont get why people dont go to anchorhead. The best little city for pvp there is
And thx for this great guide Noc. Just made me go swordsman. So watch for a little swordsman bothan who'll kick your ass. 
Noc-turnal
Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:25 am
#48
ArteX2 wrote:
Bah i dont get why people dont go to anchorhead. The best little city for pvp there is
And thx for this great guide Noc. Just made me go swordsman. So watch for a little swordsman bothan who'll kick your ass.
Thats great to know, let me know how you fair as new swordman
AriasImmortal
Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:15 pm
#49
AFAIK for every level of AP over the AR you get a 25% damage bonus, so in PvP we gain a 25% damage bonus because all player armor is AR1. If they don't have armor on you don't get a bonus at all.
AriasImmortal
Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:22 pm
#50
Since there hasn't really been a good comparison between scythes and PHs, I guess I'll compile one.
Scythe
Pros: Better accuracy mods, faster, tighter damage range.
Cons: Lower max damage.
PH:
Pros:Higher max damage, and with acklay you can get the min up to scythe level and above, meaning you do more damage than with a scythe.
Cons: Horrible acc mods (especially on acklay), much slower (not feasable or recommended for anyone not speedcapped) and on normal ones the huge damage range is a detriment against other melee PvPers.
Overall, the scythe is better for most people but if you're capped on speed and accuracy and have a good acklay PH the PH is much better (at least IMO) but it all depends on what you use it for
I personally haven't used my scythe in PvP since I became speedcapped, because even though I hit less (altho not as much now, getting more and more acc and using citros) the extra damage more than offsets it (I'm currently hitting up to 3 times as hard with my acklay PH than with my good scythe... they have the same min, but the max on the PH is twice as much).
Scythe
Pros: Better accuracy mods, faster, tighter damage range.
Cons: Lower max damage.
PH:
Pros:Higher max damage, and with acklay you can get the min up to scythe level and above, meaning you do more damage than with a scythe.
Cons: Horrible acc mods (especially on acklay), much slower (not feasable or recommended for anyone not speedcapped) and on normal ones the huge damage range is a detriment against other melee PvPers.
Overall, the scythe is better for most people but if you're capped on speed and accuracy and have a good acklay PH the PH is much better (at least IMO) but it all depends on what you use it for
I personally haven't used my scythe in PvP since I became speedcapped, because even though I hit less (altho not as much now, getting more and more acc and using citros) the extra damage more than offsets it (I'm currently hitting up to 3 times as hard with my acklay PH than with my good scythe... they have the same min, but the max on the PH is twice as much).
blindpathos
Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:05 pm
#51
Pretty much what I do is make sure I have the /follow command on, then when we start to go at it bust run. Once they are running/kiting I make sure to dizzy 2 times, then Lunge2. It seems as though then ever they're running they are alot easier to KD. Other than that make sure they're intimidated at all times. States see me to be good stuff. Pick up Master Brawler so you have Lunge2, it's way worth it.
Noc-turnal
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:59 pm
#52
AriasImmortal wrote:
I personally haven't used my scythe in PvP since I became speedcapped, because even though I hit less (altho not as much now, getting more and more acc and using citros) the extra damage more than offsets it (I'm currently hitting up to 3 times as hard with my acklay PH than with my good scythe... they have the same min, but the max on the PH is twice as much).
you should use the scythe on melee fighter due to the damage migration in pratice the scythe do more damage, i have +18 range mod on my scythe it is godly on dizzy status, Power hammer for those who do not have melee migation, scythe for those who do. you will find that power hammer lack of range mod means it abit harder to put status on. even +8 and +18 i notice the different so we wont even go down the road of how much different -32 is lol.
That is my advise but of couse i am not god so you dont have to listen to me