Swordsman Archive
Thread: 'Just PvE templates' Ultimate Guide by vnicula
GunJacker
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:59 pm
#27
Thank you, both of you for your well thought out responses. I will being doing the template vnicula suggested //edit// or maybe not, that other template looks good too..grrrr what to do what to do. I like passive defenses, sometimes it seems to me that instead of healing my states i could just be wacking away and dealing w/it as i have to. With warcry 2 i suppose i could heal my states at that time..hmm 
Any more thoughts on this>????was best and report back soon (im fairly close now but have heavy work demands so maybe by weekends end. Milgram thanks for your idea too and when and if i do some fs stuff i will reconsider. My main is a jedi so i more than likely will not focus on force stuff except with him.
Any more thoughts on this>????was best and report back soon (im fairly close now but have heavy work demands so maybe by weekends end. Milgram thanks for your idea too and when and if i do some fs stuff i will reconsider. My main is a jedi so i more than likely will not focus on force stuff except with him. /hi5
Arguss
Message Edited by GunJacker on 10-14-2004 12:37 AM
Message Edited by GunJacker on 10-14-2004 12:40 AM
vnicula
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:02 am
#28
Hey all,
GunJacker thanks for your posts,
I'm repeating myself but 'repetitio est mater studiorum'
1. Best template for single high end mobs (elders/ancients):
Master Brawler/Master Swordsman/Doctor 4200/Combat prowess 0040
There is no If, there is no But..., there is no Wait...
I made a pathetic try to use an academic language, my mistake. Here is more directly:
a) Elders/Ancients dont give a sheet on your defences. You can have +100 dizzy/stun/blind/kd/posture, you will be blinded, dizzied, stuned, laying on the floor.
b) Stun state removes all your defences vs states, ALL.
c) There are 3 types of fights with the elders (you have to kill at least 50 to understand and verify this):
easy fight (couple of dizzy, 1-2 KD's, 1-2 bleeds, your health bar is almost full every time= you can watch tv, grab a sandwich)
annoying(6-7 dizzy+KD, 4-5 bleeds, 1-2 bleed stack, blind and stun almost all the fight, frequent dizzy attacks = heal, heal, healyou must watch your toon)
bmf (hehe, frequent bleed stack, dizzy attack all the time, KD only with dizzy(this is the sign), HIGHER damage to you = vercupti andmuon + warcry and heal like crazy)Ancients are like big puppies, they cannot kill you. They are more annoying than elders because they have +95% resist to all (except you know what) and higher HAM. Expect a long fight to take one solo. Also watch your ph, if you start with 250 remaining condition and use PUPS, at some point you'll notice the beast is laughing at you.
Ancients usedizzy attacks so frequently that you can use 5 cure dizzy packs in a fight. Also they tend to move a lot (because they use area attacks and many low level creatures -including jedi here- are trying to attack them back). It's annoying because we cannot afford terrain negotiation.
Before someone wants to post something like 'I'm Master Fencer/Master Swords/Master Brawler/Medic 2040 and I solo elders all the time' I just want to add this:
You can solo many elders with Master Brawler/Master Swords/Medic 2040/Whatever. In time you'll meet a bmf elder. Then at some point you'll run.
About the /firstaid efectiveness: Get the template I recommend, you'll see that /firstaid works much better with Doc 4200
Peace
Ochimo444
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:18 pm
#29
The template I have been using for about six months is Master Doc/Master Swordsman and it has worked for me. I have solo'd the high end mobs (tusken observer most recently) and the only real danger is the potential for my mind to bottom out from healing states. I do not get knocked down that often, but when I do I am able to stand immediatley with a macro. The NS Elders are a pain and because I have to heal states and first aid so much my mind can get critical. However, for me at least, it comes down to proper management of the foods I use. As long as I can time the use of canape and brandy (and the emergency muon gold toward the end of the fight) I fair rather well.
A big advantage for me is I have a second account that has a master dancer/muscian for the precious mind buffs. My toon is Rodian and my mind stats are sub-par without the buffs. So the second account helps me out alot. I have grown to love this template as I play a large part in a regular hunting group where the Doc abilities are a bonus.
The defense stacking is very interesting and should I ever decide to drop Doc, I just might have to try it out. But didnt SOE say that defense stacking is going away when (or if) the combat balance comes out?
A big advantage for me is I have a second account that has a master dancer/muscian for the precious mind buffs. My toon is Rodian and my mind stats are sub-par without the buffs. So the second account helps me out alot. I have grown to love this template as I play a large part in a regular hunting group where the Doc abilities are a bonus.
The defense stacking is very interesting and should I ever decide to drop Doc, I just might have to try it out. But didnt SOE say that defense stacking is going away when (or if) the combat balance comes out?
DrewBuddhaMan
Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:59 am
#30
Not quite the "best" solo template but if you hunt in groups this one works very well
master swords, master rifle, novice medic, tka 4-0-0-2 Prowess 0 0 0 2
Very high damage output against anything in the game, if you are in a small group you are practically guaranteed loot rights. Decent defense, self heal wounds and disease between battles, stim b's.
Master rifle is much more effective than /lunge2 for the wandering mob's.
I once spent 1 1/2 hours looking for a dotor to heal my wounds. All the doc's in cnet med center were too busy healing afk tumblers. After that tka meditation 4 was MUST for gameplay reasons.
Weakness are state defenses. Thats why i still need to huntwith a buddy, if i get KD/dizzy i can wait it out while my friend takes the beating. I'mnot quite speed capped.I have millions but 2h speed are still hard to find before buyout.
cwhooks
Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:33 pm
#31
GunJacker wrote:
1. Mbrawl, Mswords, 4300tka, 0040fence, 2040med (0030art)
2. Mbrawl, Mswords, NovDoc (0030art)
3. Mbrawl, Mswords, 4000tka, 3004pike, 2004med (art 0030)
If you're goign to go with 2040 med, I would not get TKA. I'd get defense lines from fencer abd pikeman instead. You get more bang for your buck with the state defenses which you need more than melee/ranged defense agaisnt Krayts, Eldars and the Acklay... Having TKA mediate is partially redundant with medic skills and with so many points tied up in artisan...
Milgram
Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:00 pm
#32
Good call on the elder levels. I have done 1 and 2. Gee, i can't wait to run into the BMF elder. Sounds like a lot of fun. That is some good experience put to words. You should paste it into the top part so lazy people will see it too . Speeking of lazy, still haven't gone out to the geo caves yet. I better get on that...
. Speeking of lazy, still haven't gone out to the geo caves yet. I better get on that...
vnicula
Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 am
#33
Hi Ochimo444,
Subject: Swords/Doc
You're not the only one who appreciatesthe 'simple and noble' template Doc/Swords. When you show up every member of your group has a morale boost. Mmm, this guy can rez and rebuff me, I feel better, I can go crazy now running directly to Armoire and Broken droid room to loot!
But when you decide to face an elder alone (hehe, we all know the reasons behind that decision)could you useall your skills againstyour opponent?
250 Skill points.Do you have all this 250 spts usedAGAINST your opponent? Ok, you can place a hospital but you know what: the elder doesnt care.
Use all your 250 spts wisely. Decide who you are and what you want first. Dont keep group skills if you're a lone wolf addicted to loot.
Have 2 chars on the same server? Great, make the second one doc/musician.
And you sir get template 1).
Peace
westcoastavenger
Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:12 am
#34
Hey guys, been following this thread. Firstly, I love PVE. I really like PVP, but my guild isn't too active these days and I'm a big lore fan of the movies, EU, etc. The thought of taking on Ancient Krayts and NS Elders really appeals to my RP'ing sense of solo-badass =)
I'm currently: Master TKA (because I love the story behind the discipline) Master Pistoleer (because what's Star Wars without blasters?) Polearms 1 & 2 (for NS lances) Fencer 3/4/x/x Novice Medic.
I do alright against lower level NS's, ect. Never tackled a Krayt solo. I would like a template keeping TKM in the mix. My question is: What is it about Master Swordsman that is so effective against NS's and Krayts? Blast damage? Or just higher damage output with PH's and whatnot than I can do unarmed?
Thanks for the help.
Also, working my way up to padawan, so the change I'm looking for would be temporary, but need something to do while grinding FS XP, might as well be for a new template and some good loot.
damonbrinkley
Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:07 am
#36
I dropped TKM to 4/3/0/4 on my template because I didn't need an AP1 kinetic weapon (TK) when I had a AP2 kinetic weapon (scythe). I rarely used my TK skills so I just kept the defenses and meditate lines to compliment my swords skills.
smork
Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:38 am
#37
master sword, master brawler, tk 4301, fencer 0440, novice medic, 24 points in fs
Fight through your bleeds instead of wasting time healing them.
Fight through your bleeds instead of wasting time healing them.
Milgram
Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:45 am
#38
Fight through your bleeds instead of wasting time healing them.
Then /burstrun at 500 health.
Milgram
Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:32 am
#39
I do alright against lower level NS's, ect. Never tackled a Krayt solo. I would like a template keeping TKM in the mix. My question is: What is it about Master Swordsman that is so effective against NS's and Krayts? Blast damage? Or just higher damage output with PH's and whatnot than I can do unarmed?
Blast damage = all night sisters vulnerable to it
Swords also has the highest damageoutput
Sworks also has a high toughness, not as good as TKM, but still very good.
Swords also have good def vs. ___, much better than TKM. Crap for Melee, and ranged, but those are irrelevant for elders and Krayts.
Vnicula, I think you will find this interesting. I usually fight night sisters solo, but sometimes with my friend. He is rifle/TKM/Fencer 0440 Medic. When we fight protectors, he will pull with the rifle, then we both beat them to death in their heads. I noticed that he is always stunned, and always blinded, as well as getting dizzy. Then it struck me. I got a +18 Stun, +9 Blind shirt that has put my def vs. stun over 100, and my def vs blind at 100 with a +1 in the armor. Before i got the shirt, i would occasionaly get blinded and stunned. Ever since i got it, i cannot recall being blinded or stunned. Then I remembered my friend the pikeman doing stun to a krayt over and over for about a minute without getting it to land. I do not think that stun has the auto 10% rule. Also, when is the last time anyone has dizzied an elder or a Krayt. I have never seen it since they ubered the two. Out of 25 kraytsand 20 elders Ihave tanked with my basic high def vs states template, i have only been Dizzy/KDed once, and that is while a krayt had me stunned, and before i got the +Stun Def shirt.
If 100% stun/dizzy/blind resist is true, it might mean bad things for your Doc template. It is pretty low in these defences. The only two states i need to cure are KD and Bleed. One i can do with /stand, and the other takes 2000 medic. Having all the wound treatment and Stim E's would be very nice, i must say. If healing states is your only reason for doc though, that is a lot of points that could go into more combat ability. Interested to hear your thoughts.
My pistoleer 0040 template cannot solo an elder with a med penetration weapon (yet). That is probably an area where the Doc is very very nice. I can get by until she is about 1/2 dead. Aboutthen she usually gets her poop together and decides she should double choke me while stacking a huge bleed. I can whip the hell out of a ap0 weapon Elder though. Even if they stack a 800 point bleed, i can heal fast enough to keep in the game because she cannot take my mind down fast enough. Against the med pen weapons, i ended running away and kiting them with my pistol. I would take them about 4-500 meters out from their spawn, then stop shooting.They would disapear wheni was no longer doing damage to them. This would remove the ap2 sister and replace her with a much kinder, less angry ap0 Elder (sometimes).
Someone correct me If I am wrong, but doesn't firstaid treat your bleed for 100+ wound treatment? I am a 2000 medic, and i cure 105 bleed per hit (tested on rancors who do 150 point bleedsevery time) A bleed resist shirt didn't do anything that i noticed. Is it lowering the % of getting blead? Anyway, my presant plan is to get a +16-+18 injury/wound treatment shirt and get +10 Stun Def from SEA's. This should help out quite a bit on the BMF bleeds for 800 I am hoping. Ran into one of those by the way. She didn't land any states on me other than KD, but the bleeds were just amazing. The crazy b1tch was swinging a med pen axe. Had to introduce her to 2 atst's (she took 1 out) before that whole ordeal was over.
Vnicula, defenently interested to hear your take.