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Thread: Swords PvP info combine
Message Edited by JeffIncredible on 07-08-2005 09:24 AM
Now Im not a swordsmen purist though I love the class, Ive always loved diversity in strategy. Tkm is better for jedi fighting in my oppinion the added defense and lower sac cost with say the necrosis tka weapon or the katarn knucklers is simply awesome when combined with swords skills. The powerhammer is the weapon of choice when fighting other melee or ranged you need the nuking power versus other tanks and well anything can swat a kiter a hammer works well enough
. A non defender will go down fast with a hammer too. If you can get a speed buff with this template the hammer is unstoppable for about 3 seconds then your action is gone With swords and tka all I do is nuke armor break and knockdown. I dont waste any action or skillpoints with states that can be basically ignored. I am perfect simplicity Nuke+Tank+Healer=I win. Im thinking about changing my template cause I dont want to be like cm pre cu.
Note: I have been a dabbler and a stating jerk for my playing career. The cu has made me a purist hehe. If anyone cares to test that I am not the best melee player on corbantis please try and duel me sometime.
and some of the jedi i fought would probably also disagree
fessestarsider wrote:
The template is important but i actually think the person behind the keyboard and the equipement he carries will make the final difference
I'm a swordsman/doc with FS skills and people often told me i had a Pre-CU template that was inefficient now... i politely disagree
Cheers,
Fesse
D4rthReven wrote:
The template you have listed may be the best template for all out swordsmen support. I do prefer tka though cause I like switching things up. TKM/Swords/Doc 4000 simple template yet devestating action regen decrease and snare are things I miss but I dont need them. Sapping attackings are mainly countered with food and timing mainly turn off autoattack and your gold.
Now Im not a swordsmen purist though I love the class, Ive always loved diversity in strategy. Tkm is better for jedi fighting in my oppinion the added defense and lower sac cost with say the necrosis tka weapon or the katarn knucklers is simply awesome when combined with swords skills. The powerhammer is the weapon of choice when fighting other melee or ranged you need the nuking power versus other tanks and well anything can swat a kiter a hammer works well enough
With swords and tka all I do is nuke armor break and knockdown. I dont waste any action or skillpoints with states that can be basically ignored. I am perfect simplicity Nuke+Tank+Healer=I win. Im thinking about changing my template cause I dont want to be like cm pre cu.
Note: I have been a dabbler and a stating jerk for my playing career. The cu has made me a purist hehe. If anyone cares to test that I am not the best melee player on corbantis please try and duel me sometime.
agreed, however they just fixed states so we'll see what happens there. With this template I rarely heal the only thing letting me down now is my hammer. atm im using a 1100 hammer with 85 sac. it still needs a slicing but as far as im concerned its just not good enough. with all that defensive stuff going on your hits need to be hard and fast when you have a chance to get them off. otherwise you're just some guy who's hard to kill but not really a threat.
time will tell 
Not a master swords but I have dabbled in it 
Template Master Fencer, TKA 0400 Swords 0034 Doc 4004
Weapon:MY BABY
Armour ADKed 6500 Primus Battle armour with teir 3 armour break slices. (I laugh when someone uses AB on me) It's also stuff full of one handed speed, accuracy and defence attachements that are going very very cheap. I'm capped on 1 handed I've got a little work on the general melee accuracy.
IMO TKA 0100 and Doc 4000 are the success for any pvp melee template. With COB and Improved Healing I can tank two Jedi on me for about a minute with them going full out on their attacks. I've manage to hold off three for about thrity seconds before but with them wacking you you can't keep cob on and keep up with the healing.
I haven't lost a one on one fight with a non-Jedi melee template yet though I admit there's not many out there. I'm afraid to say this but I usualy eat master swordsman for breakfast through equipment, cob, heals, my weaponposted above and tactics. I'm hitting for around 1k dps for about 5 seconds which is normaly enough to take out anyone by over loading there heals. After that 5 seconds of insane damagemy action is down to nothing.
Foods: Using two combos of foods. The light filling long lasting lower regen foods for long drawn out battles. And mandolorine Wine for when I'm going into short fight though I don't like using it I will if I must.
Secondary Foods: Ruby bliel means I can pretty much tank anything up to about 3 jedi with my doctor heals and spamming stims and ruby. That's the reason I don't like using the heavy drink filling of mandolorine wine. I've had groups of Jedi say WoW when they see the punishment I can take and they usualy go off for easier targets like other jedi leaving me to run around causing serious damage. Foods I use crispic but thinking of getting some ale. I usualy have loads of room for foods becuase I like using parwan to kill kiters. If you have a snare on hit a parwan and chase them down snare him, KD and hit them till they die. I've only been incapped to one kiter so far one on one since I mastered my template.
forgot about macros. For pvp keep macros as simple as possible and never loop them.
the only macro's you need are
BUFFSELF
/nutrientInjection self;
/pause 8;
/serotoninInjection self;
/pause 8;
/endorphineInjection self;
/pause 8;
/adrenalBoost self;
BUFFOTHERS
same as above but remove self, may want to remove adrenal line as well as some poeple don't like the action killer as I call it.
COB
/cob;
/pause 42;
/alarmAddIn 0 .1 ***Center of Being Ending***;
DO NOT LOOP IT WILL ALL GO WRONG
BACTASHOTSELF
/bactashot self;
BACTAJABSELF
/bactajab self;
DUMP
/dump;
FOR WHEN THESE SIMPLE MACROS GO WRONG.
DO NOT USE A LOOPINGINFUSION MACRO. you're mind will quickly disappear leaving you dead. Use shot, jab, stims an ruby bliel and use infusion as a last resort.
EnderUK wrote:
Not a master swords but I have dabbled in it
Template Master Fencer, TKA 0400 Swords 0034 Doc 4004
Weapon:MY BABY
Armour ADKed 6500 Primus Battle armour with teir 3 armour break slices. (I laugh when someone uses AB on me) It's also stuff full of one handed speed, accuracy and defence attachements that are going very very cheap. I'm capped on 1 handed I've got a little work on the general melee accuracy.
IMO TKA 0100 and Doc 4000 are the success for any pvp melee template. With COB and Improved Healing I can tank two Jedi on me for about a minute with them going full out on their attacks. I've manage to hold off three for about thrity seconds before but with them wacking you you can't keep cob on and keep up with the healing.
I haven't lost a one on one fight with a non-Jedi melee template yet though I admit there's not many out there. I'm afraid to say this but I usualy eat master swordsman for breakfast through equipment, cob, heals, my weaponposted above and tactics. I'm hitting for around 1k dps for about 5 seconds which is normaly enough to take out anyone by over loading there heals. After that 5 seconds of insane damagemy action is down to nothing.
Foods: Using two combos of foods. The light filling long lasting lower regen foods for long drawn out battles. And mandolorine Wine for when I'm going into short fight though I don't like using it I will if I must.
Secondary Foods: Ruby bliel means I can pretty much tank anything up to about 3 jedi with my doctor heals and spamming stims and ruby. That's the reason I don't like using the heavy drink filling of mandolorine wine. I've had groups of Jedi say WoW when they see the punishment I can take and they usualy go off for easier targets like other jedi leaving me to run around causing serious damage. Foods I use crispic but thinking of getting some ale. I usualy have loads of room for foods becuase I like using parwan to kill kiters. If you have a snare on hit a parwan and chase them down snare him, KD and hit them till they die. I've only been incapped to one kiter so far one on one since I mastered my template.
I've come up with anvery effective method to taking out healers and Jedi one on one.
You need: To be able to tank and recover from any damage dealt to you be that with defence stacking, healing or stimming for a period of time. Take your accuracy and regenfoods and booster.
Now the method:
#1 Take the damage dealt to you. They'll probably use their KD on you first chance they get, recove and heal.
#2 defualt attack, that's right don't use that action.
#3 Heal up but don't waste your damage. Your oppenent will think you're on the defensive and get cocky.
#4 When their action get's between 1/4-1/2 hit them with crippling strike.
#5 Time it right, hit them with a blind, followed by a Armour break (if you have it), don't worry if they don't stick, just use them once your going to need your action.
#6 Watch their action hit rock bottom, this is when you hit them with the KD (You shoudl have at least the normal leg sweep on your tool bar .
#7 Lay into them with your powerful attacks and watch them squirm on the ground unable to stand due to their action being less than 25%. If their non-Jedi their's no chance of them to heal up. Jedi you've got about 2 hits before they can heal up due to no action and you'll be doing more damage than they can heal up while they are on their backs.
#8 Deathblow as required.
Counter Method: Watch your action try not to let it go below 25% Hard to keep track of I know but do able.
with your equipment you should never lose to any single person, ever. you suck.
Mr_Anonymous wrote:
with your equipment you should never lose to any single person, ever. you suck.
Message Edited by EnderUK on 07-10-2005 12:17 AM
JeffIncredible wrote:
How about giving that Kiter a little bit of credit
I said non-jedi melee 
Yes I've lost against jedi, usualy becuase of; good combination of specials on their part, missed heals, lag, etc....
Yes I've lost to a couple of ranged. One of them was againstJeff who is also a very good pvper and knew his template well. He beat me the first time with some very very nicely timed specials. The second time he held be off to what was it? 15 or 30 minutes?
Message Edited by EnderUK on 07-10-2005 12:17 AM