Squad Leader Archive

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
I didn't read all the replies, but it's obvious that Nexican acted like an ass to the CSR. You won't be able to turn this around to unsuspend your character, everyone except your guild can easily read what happened in those screenshots. Just take your suspension like a man instead of drumming up all this drama on the forums. Btw, you could've just walked the SL out of Coronet, the commands will work up to the nearest server boundary.

---

to be flagrently told that you cannot use your only means of a move would piss anyone off. He is a paying customer just like you. If you were told you can't use your area attacks in pvp because it makes people angry and disrupts the play... you're gonna be a little pissed to. My god are you that blind to see that this is rediuclous.

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
I didn't read all the replies, but it's obvious that Nexican acted like an ass to the CSR. You won't be able to turn this around to unsuspend your character, everyone except your guild can easily read what happened in those screenshots. Just take your suspension like a man instead of drumming up all this drama on the forums. Btw, you could've just walked the SL out of Coronet, the commands will work up to the nearest server boundary.

---

---

Kcarlon wrote:

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
I didn't read all the replies, but it's obvious that Nexican acted like an ass to the CSR. You won't be able to turn this around to unsuspend your character, everyone except your guild can easily read what happened in those screenshots. Just take your suspension like a man instead of drumming up all this drama on the forums. Btw, you could've just walked the SL out of Coronet, the commands will work up to the nearest server boundary.

---

to be flagrently told that you cannot use your only means of a move would piss anyone off. He is a paying customer just like you. If you were told you can't use your area attacks in pvp because it makes people angry and disrupts the play... you're gonna be a little pissed to. My god are you that blind to see that this is rediuclous.

---

Actually, it's you who that isn't opening your eyes. Do you think it's cool for a dancer to stand at the ticket terminal in Coronet and spam smoke bombs and laser lights, lagging everyone out even crashing them? Nah. Do you think it's cool for forty people to stand in Coronet dueling with launcher pistols that they can't even use, just to disrupt the flow? Nah. Actually, some of you do. But Nexican was told he was being disruptive. He was told that he was affecting other people's gameplay for the worse. And he didn't try to help the situation. That's all, it's not some giant "dumb CSR" plot to cover up the fact that they responded "illegally" to some drunk in tells that told them that he would continue spamming...

Wake up lol. It's not about being an SL, it's about actually making people crash and lag out and then not giving a 5hit.

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:

Actually, it's you who that isn't opening your eyes. Do you think it's cool for a dancer to stand at the ticket terminal in Coronet and spam smoke bombs and laser lights, lagging everyone out even crashing them? Nah. Do you think it's cool for forty people to stand in Coronet dueling with launcher pistols that they can't even use, just to disrupt the flow? Nah. Actually, some of you do. But Nexican was told he was being disruptive. He was told that he was affecting other people's gameplay for the worse. And he didn't try to help the situation. That's all, it's not some giant "dumb CSR" plot to cover up the fact that they responded "illegally" to some drunk in tells that told them that he would continue spamming...

Wake up lol. It's not about being an SL, it's about actually making people crash and lag out and then not giving a 5hit.

---

Sorry Hemi, you're fellow Rebel Radiant blood and all, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you.

Asking a paying customer to work around a broken system (too much chat = crashed clients? Puh-leeze) so you can continue to focus on an expansion (Jump To Lightspeed) instead of fixing the problem, is not acceptable. It may make business sense, after all JTL will bring in a big wad of cash, but it's not going to do squat for customer loyalty or satisfaction. Perhaps I'ld feel differently if I knew a SL Revamp was due out in a few weeks to fix this, but knowing that it's gonna be sometime around Christmas, I'm gonna spam spam spam the night away...

We don't really have any options, do we? We can't turn off the text. If we cross a server boundary or go out of range, our specials don't have any effect on our group-mates. If we slow down the rate, then they become less effective. I usually don't run formup macros, but in large 20+ vs 20+ battles I can't keep up with the speed the dizzy's are applied so I macro it. I don't see anything wrong with it, my group doesn't see anything wrong with it, the enemy doesn't see anything wrong with it. In fact, it usually makes me a prime target, but that's the price I pay for being effective.

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:

---

Kcarlon wrote:

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
I didn't read all the replies, but it's obvious that Nexican acted like an ass to the CSR. You won't be able to turn this around to unsuspend your character, everyone except your guild can easily read what happened in those screenshots. Just take your suspension like a man instead of drumming up all this drama on the forums. Btw, you could've just walked the SL out of Coronet, the commands will work up to the nearest server boundary.

---

to be flagrently told that you cannot use your only means of a move would piss anyone off. He is a paying customer just like you. If you were told you can't use your area attacks in pvp because it makes people angry and disrupts the play... you're gonna be a little pissed to. My god are you that blind to see that this is rediuclous.

---

Actually, it's you who that isn't opening your eyes. Do you think it's cool for a dancer to stand at the ticket terminal in Coronet and spam smoke bombs and laser lights, lagging everyone out even crashing them? Nah. Do you think it's cool for forty people to stand in Coronet dueling with launcher pistols that they can't even use, just to disrupt the flow? Nah. Actually, some of you do. But Nexican was told he was being disruptive. He was told that he was affecting other people's gameplay for the worse. And he didn't try to help the situation. That's all, it's not some giant "dumb CSR" plot to cover up the fact that they responded "illegally" to some drunk in tells that told them that he would continue spamming...

Wake up lol. It's not about being an SL, it's about actually making people crash and lag out and then not giving a 5hit.

---

than tell me where and how many times can a SL do their moves. I mean wake up hemi you are being completely blind. view the ss's and you'll see he was clearly baneed for using form up over and over. you know that with the combo of 6 melee and a couple carb kings the SL has no other choice than to spam. hell your bot sits in front of the theed SP half the time. so what should they ban your SL as well.

---

Yeraze wrote:

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:

Actually, it's you who that isn't opening your eyes. Do you think it's cool for a dancer to stand at the ticket terminal in Coronet and spam smoke bombs and laser lights, lagging everyone out even crashing them? Nah. Do you think it's cool for forty people to stand in Coronet dueling with launcher pistols that they can't even use, just to disrupt the flow? Nah. Actually, some of you do. But Nexican was told he was being disruptive. He was told that he was affecting other people's gameplay for the worse. And he didn't try to help the situation. That's all, it's not some giant "dumb CSR" plot to cover up the fact that they responded "illegally" to some drunk in tells that told them that he would continue spamming...

Wake up lol. It's not about being an SL, it's about actually making people crash and lag out and then not giving a 5hit.

---

Sorry Hemi, you're fellow Rebel Radiant blood and all, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you.

Asking a paying customer to work around a broken system (too much chat = crashed clients? Puh-leeze) so you can continue to focus on an expansion (Jump To Lightspeed) instead of fixing the problem, is not acceptable. It may make business sense, after all JTL will bring in a big wad of cash, but it's not going to do squat for customer loyalty or satisfaction. Perhaps I'ld feel differently if I knew a SL Revamp was due out in a few weeks to fix this, but knowing that it's gonna be sometime around Christmas, I'm gonna spam spam spam the night away...

We don't really have any options, do we? We can't turn off the text. If we cross a server boundary or go out of range, our specials don't have any effect on our group-mates. If we slow down the rate, then they become less effective. I usually don't run formup macros, but in large 20+ vs 20+ battles I can't keep up with the speed the dizzy's are applied so I macro it. I don't see anything wrong with it, my group doesn't see anything wrong with it, the enemy doesn't see anything wrong with it. In fact, it usually makes me a prime target, but that's the price I pay for being effective.

---

None of this changes the fact that part of being a CSR is to insure the gameplay of the MMO populace. If people were complaining and crashing out, then he should've moved his SL. For your information, the nearest server boundary to Coronet seems to be around 2k to the South. Relic didn't know that I guess. Maybe they should get called out on the forums for not knowing that little gem of info. Moving the SL would be the thing a gentleman would do. Instead, he threatened to spam MORE lol. Petition to fix Squad Leader specials, don't petition to unsuspend your irate friend that pissed off the wrong CSR.

LOL guys, what a CSR says is law. If you don't like that, don't play an MMO. If a CSR tells you that you crashed a zone, you say "well, I'm very sorry."

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
None of this changes the fact that part of being a CSR is to insure the gameplay of the MMO populace. If people were complaining and crashing out, then he should've moved his SL. For your information, the nearest server boundary to Coronet seems to be around 2k to the South. Relic didn't know that I guess. Maybe they should get called out on the forums for not knowing that little gem of info. Moving the SL would be the thing a gentleman would do. Instead, he threatened to spam MORE lol. Petition to fix Squad Leader specials, don't petition to unsuspend your irate friend that pissed off the wrong CSR.

---

heh.. I wouldn't call Nexican my friend. Far from it in fact, but I'll fight to have any, repeat ANY, squad leader unbanned/unsuspended for just using his specials. Even if he was spamming 1000times a second or whatever, it's how our abilities work. They aren't broken, they're working exactly as designed. Unfortunately, the design really stinks in this regard.

Nexican plays the game to PvP with other players. Asking him to voluntarily go 2km away and "fight from there", is ridiculous. It violates RP, it violates fun, it violates simple common sense. If it's so "disruptive" then the proper solution would have been to move all the engaged parties to another location, not just ban the one Squad Leader. PvP Happens wherever it happens, it's one of the beautiful parts of SWG, and it seems ridiculous that they would want a hardcore PvP'er to just "walk somewhere else" and fight from there.

Now, Nexican could have handled his communications with the CSR a little better, I give him that. I think, while the CSR's won't admit it, he got banned for getting a little lippy with a thin-skinned CSR. But the CSR's should have known better than to confront a Squad Leader for this in the first place.

---

HemiKeeroc wrote:
LOL guys, what a CSR says is law. If you don't like that, don't play an MMO. If a CSR tells you that you crashed a zone, you say "well, I'm very sorry."

---

hemi its sad you just seem to be arguing just because of who got in trouble. in your dislike for relic and its members you arent seeing the point of the csr not explaining himself properly at all, not knowing how the porfession works and suspending someone for using a profession the only way it can be used. if this happened to you guys you would be up in arms about it. and now dont tell me you dont use a squad leader and blah blah blah, because its still not the point.

heck we dont even play on a crowded server and if 1 squad leader causes the game to crash and what not then there are major problems here beyond squad leader.

Message Edited by Biggens77 on 07-21-2004 01:50 PM

No. I like Nexican, I've had several long chats with him. I think he's a good guy when he's sober/happy. Otherwise, he's a reactionary that will contradict himself at the drop of a hat. Anyways, peace out on this thread.

I have personally seen other SLs do this in Theed and Coronet and they dont crash, but yet none of them get in trouble.

The argument here is that a SL is forced to spam the commands that cause them to shout in spatial. The SLs have asked for the Devs to make an option so they dont have to spam for how long now? The SLs have asked for this to be fixed long ago and the devs didnt do anything. Who do you think is to blame?

---

Jeassa wrote:

---

Jonaas wrote:

---

DiLune wrote:

The fundamental problem here is twofold. One, how in the world did someone manage 400 commands in 3 minutes? That's over 2 per second. Shouldn't happen. Two, SL cannot stop saying something when they use a command. I would love to see all combat professions have to say something everytime they use a special. The entire game would be lagged out. The low population of SL has kept this from creating lag of gigantic proportions I suppose. Perhaps its time to just get the spatial yells removed completely. Its not fair that the SL has to keep his combat commands to a minimum while any other combat profession can spam theirs at will.

And lay off CS. They are in a tough spot (how would any of you like your job to partially entail dealing with irate and often irrational people? Just because that's their job doesn't mean we should take advantage and heap more abuse on them.) I personally think telling someone to use their commands once every 30 seconds is pretty sketchy, but I don't think that means people should be flaming the CSR. You don't have to like what he said, but you also don't have to continue to attack him or CS in general. He didn't know, they don't know that /formup doesn't generate SL xp...so what? We know and we know how it sounds, but I won't hold someone else to my knowledge.

(yeah, I know its their job to know the game...its still no excuse to flame them...be disappointed? Sure...flaming...nah.)

Message Edited by DiLune on 07-20-2004 11:25 PM

---

busted logic! I work in a restaurant, if i under cook a piece of meat because i wasnt familiar with it, and someone gets food poisoning, thats my ass on the line. Ignorance is no excuse. If this is their job, they should no it inside and out, and if they dont know it, they should look for a new line of work

Message Edited by Jonaas on 07-21-2004 02:36 AM

Message Edited by Jonaas on 07-21-2004 02:37 AM

---

Getting physically ill - possibly dying - is not the same as losing out on a few days play time. If it ends up being a mistake that the person in question was suspended then yes it sucks but you can't compare those things.

Also, if your job is to cook food then you are going to be trained on the aspects of what you are making - but you don't have to memorize some 30 odd professions and how they work.

I was an EQ GM before I came to the SWG team, and yes I knew the game but I didn't know everything. I couldn't have told you how to do the necromancer epic, there are so many aspects to an MMO that someone simply cannot know everything. If you are at odds with the decision that's fine, but really don't bag on the CSRs- it's a hard job and there are a lot of things to keep track of. If anything this brings some attention to an issue that the SL profession faces and raises a level of discussion. Again, don't expect all of them to know everything - heck, I'm a dancer and I still couldn't tell you everything about being a dancer.

---

Message Edited by Jonaas on 07-21-2004 03:11 AM