Squad Leader Archive
Thread: From a Jedi's POV
willflynne wrote:
Tunsa_Phunn wrote:
oh and another thing about jedi keeping off the terminals its impossible to do unless you dont use your jedi as if your out grinding you always get the morons who like to drive threw your group to give you vis now explain to me again how a jedi can stay off the terms the fact of the matter is sl shouldnt be able to do 3.5k ive even seen heard of people with master defender getting killed in 1 hit so jedi changing theretemplate dont work jedi go nurfed yes bh got nurfed yes sl will get nurfed yes simple as (every proffesion gets nurfed) but every one bare in mind pub 24 aint been out that long it things will be changing for every one in the game proffesions getting better or worse its a game at end of day its not life or death
My two cents? Grind smarter.
Avoid Dantooine. Go to out of the way cities or planets. Resist the urge to take down npc's with the ls. Don't stay in one place for too long.
That is, if you want to avoid visibility and give the bh's who ARE hunting you a real challenge. I've consciously been changing my habits since getting my glowbat and making sure I'm not stuck anywhere for too long, unless it happens to be in one of my houses.
BadChef wrote:
Well I made a mess in the jedi forum, but it seemed to tone down a bit after a little discussion. What it seems to come down to after trodding down every path is, any solution would leave one profession or another shafted. The only thing my limited knowledge could come up with is disableing or preventing the buff as soon as a bh take the jedi mission, but it just sounds too much like the nerf call getting called on us right now so I'm at a total loss. I just keep thinking back a month or two and I keep hearing.....I told you so.
Shinky wrote:
We are not all whiney b!tches. When a BH comes rolling up on you, and YOU, the jedi, are fully buffed up, and they one-two hit you, there a problem. Stating that SL's can help jedi too, doesn't help. It's not a matter of that, the point is that the dmg multipliers are just too high. Anyway, SL's are meant to help and mod groups, if the dmg multipliers were a lot lower, you'd still notice a great increase in dmg over seen in a full group. Make this buff dependent on group size, matter of fact, ALL SL buffs should be dependent on group size and only work within the range of the SL. All dmg multiplier buffs should be only applied to painted targets. There you go.
Defense Bonuses in def buff are determined by size of the group. Larger the group, the max def offered. If there's only a bh and sl, the buff would only look like +25 def for example, but in a full group it might yield +250.
Dmg Bonuses in dmg buffs are static but must be painted by the SL (meaning jedi are out of the equation), and have to be within the range of the SL. As well, I believe this should be group size dependent. if only a SL and BH, it will compare to no greater than a crit shot, but in a full group it will be very, very beneficial.
You guys are SQUAD LEADERS. This isn't a sign from the devs to help bhs, this is a sign of ignorance on their part to bring something in so unbalanced, and I'm sorry guys, i'm just as happy about the revamp. It was much needed, but Jedi not even having a chance, is rediculous.
Foz
I think that the OP didnt have you in mind, when he made his post. He had in mind the guy who puts his Alt SL in tow while he goes and hunts. Now I will be the first to admit that if it's in the game it should be used. Jedi hide in houses(part of the game) and BH's use SLs for the buffs. It's all part of the game and in my very humble eyes is ok. I have just started playing my alt if there is no groups going out at the time im on to grind. I wont go to MO, just like in your post how you said, "Not all Jedi" Im sure that is what the OP meant also.
hate to follow the cliche but the majority of jedi really are ruining the game. seems like they feel that every ability of every profession is a direct attack on their own precious profession.
if its not armorsmiths makingbetter armor than their innate, or looted/crafted weps being better than lightsabers, not being able to use pups, or slices, creature handling etc.
you are ONE profession out of 37. the suns do not rise and set on your collective a$$es. get over it.
Foomerang wrote:
hate to follow the cliche but the majority of jedi really are ruining the game. seems like they feel that every ability of every profession is a direct attack on their own precious profession.
if its not armorsmiths makingbetter armor than their innate, or looted/crafted weps being better than lightsabers, not being able to use pups, or slices, creature handling etc.
you are ONE profession out of 37. the suns do not rise and set on your collective a$$es. get over it.
Tunsa_Phunn wrote:
i fully agree with the fact that sl need to be nurfed as ive just been messing round with some friends and they managed to drop us in 1 hit on a jedi's point of view its far to high the damage multiplyer no one stands a chance against them for instance one of my guildies with this dmg multiplyer on hit a full temp jedi for 3.5k instant incap if it dont get changed there gonna be alot of people quiting.
theres my two cents
I get owned by melee proffs, can we nerf those too? no?
MSL mCarb Pistols 0.0.0.4. I'm desent in the field, but I get it handed to me when I go against people of melee. It's all in how you play the game. during battle skirmishes I like the distance attacks. To all those who complain about the damage, I highly sudjest for them to learn how to play. Strange concept I know, actualy have to to stratigize attacks, and think., "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." I got bets that I may ownz a jedi now and then, but I also got greater odds that jedi with strip me appart ( the ones I've been up against are too darn fast).
Hey, here's a thought, Nerf Jedi speed so I can actualy lay a shot on em . That should even things up.
I'd also like to give a hi5 to the MBH's out there for theire crafty creativity and cunning. I've seen some VERY nice stunts pulled on jedi. Now THAT'S playin. 
BadChef wrote:
Well said. Unfortunatly, the general jedi attitude on their own forums sort of puts themselves in that position. The other unfortunate thing is this aleged shot being used is a first strike that triggers the tef. The realy realy unfortunate thing is the half baked 'testing' they're doing with cut up screen shots and basicaly useing the same story someone els gives. I'm sure they'r concern is just, but they need to take it seriously and do actual testing....in real situations and present the screen shots and such unaltered. Some things fire me up to and since I can be totaly stubborn and irrational I want to just go into kill mode but that doesnt help at all.
BAD CHEF! NO BISCUIT!
Sorry, couldn't resist the pun...
these threads just need a little light-heartedness every so often
-Grozzer Agoutt
MSL/MRM
On behalf of any self-respecting Jedi, I apologize to any SL's for this OP's nerf calls. There is no need for reduction in dmg multipliers or skills. One fix - and one fix only - needs to be made. Make SL buffs non-functioning when a BH/Jedi TEF is in effect.
SL buffs are for group organization and increased group efficiency, not for solo combat. With people dragging around their SL alts and hiring SL's to group with them and spam buffs during a BH/Jedi fight, its simply not balanced. We are once again back to the day where a Doc just sat there and healed the Jedi or BH except now it is someone buffing to increase damage. We've already seen the nerf cycle applying to healing in a BH/Jedi TEF, so how about we just skip to the resolution healing reached and simply not allow anything from another player to work within this specific tef system?
the problem is that jedi are poisoning their own water so to speak. you ever read the jedi forums? they all have this "us against them" attitude. they segregate themselves from the rest of the population.
you think people dont pick up on that vibe? then other players lash out against jedi and it only re-solidifies the jedi mantra. its a vicious cycle.
AlienEntity wrote:
sm1550 wrote:
On behalf of any self-respecting Jedi, I apologize to any SL's for this OP's nerf calls. There is no need for reduction in dmg multipliers or skills. One fix - and one fix only - needs to be made. Make SL buffs non-functioning when a BH/Jedi TEF is in effect.
SL buffs are for group organization and increased group efficiency, not for solo combat. With people dragging around their SL alts and hiring SL's to group with them and spam buffs during a BH/Jedi fight, its simply not balanced. We are once again back to the day where a Doc just sat there and healed the Jedi or BH except now it is someone buffing to increase damage. We've already seen the nerf cycle applying to healing in a BH/Jedi TEF, so how about we just skip to the resolution healing reached and simply not allow anything from another player to work within this specific tef system?
I agree completely. I do not relish the thought of having someone sending me a tell asking for a buff. It hasn't happened yet, but time will only tell. If they did this, would fix quite a lot. The one thing that still is a bit troublesome though is the bh/sl combo. I'm not sure how I would want that resolved fairly.
I don't think the BH/SL is much of an issue - I am a BH/SL and I have armor with +25 mods to all my stats with energy resist of about 5500 (Assault is all we get) and a 3 way capped ALR (4 if you count the accuracy bonus being capped) and I can tell you this I am never going to bother hunting jedi as it is fairly obvious I wouldn't stand a chance, and if a BH/SL does manage to defeat a jedi either the jedi was bugged or well....extremely bad at his job.
Make it so BH/SLs can't use their own buffs in a BH tef and it won't make a difference.