Squad Leader Archive
Thread: From a Jedi's POV
Wallid wrote:
Tunsa_Phunn wrote:
i fully agree with the fact that sl need to be nurfed as ive just been messing round with some friends and they managed to drop us in 1 hit on a jedi's point of view its far to high the damage multiplyer no one stands a chance against them for instance one of my guildies with this dmg multiplyer on hit a full temp jedi for 3.5k instant incap if it dont get changed there gonna be alot of people quiting.
theres my two cents
I get owned by melee proffs, can we nerf those too? no?
MSL mCarb Pistols 0.0.0.4. I'm desent in the field, but I get it handed to me when I go against people of melee. It's all in how you play the game. during battle skirmishes I like the distance attacks. To all those who complain about the damage, I highly sudjest for them to learn how to play. Strange concept I know, actualy have to to stratigize attacks, and think., "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." I got bets that I may ownz a jedi now and then, but I also got greater odds that jedi with strip me appart ( the ones I've been up against are too darn fast).
Hey, here's a thought, Nerf Jedi speed so I can actualy lay a shot on em . That should even things up.
I'd also like to give a hi5 to the MBH's out there for theire crafty creativity and cunning. I've seen some VERY nice stunts pulled on jedi. Now THAT'S playin.
Man sorry dude with your temp you should really slaughter those melee professions
with form up and crippling shot they shouldn't get the opportunity to even attempt to point their weapon in your direction
The truth that no one will really say is...
BH points finger at Jedi
Jedi points finger at BH
Both professions complain.
Both professions are running this game into the ground.
Easy fix is to let the buff's drop when the TEF hits. Let them go kick the crud out of one another, and let the SL's get back to leading GROUPS.
Burgers on the grill, flame away.
This shouldnt even be an issue.
BH is for solo 1on1 missions.
SL is for group buffs.
There shouldnt even be a situation in which SL buffs are an issue for 1on1 fights, becouse that's not how SL are intended.
SL's buffing themselves - Bad idea. SL's are a support profession meant to be godsend in groups, weak solo.
SL buffs sticking in TEF situations - Gamebreaking and against the rules of BH engagements (where no outside support/heals/buffs were allowed).
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-27-2005 07:45 PM
MsNiL wrote:
This shouldnt even be an issue.
BH is for solo 1on1 missions.
SL is for group buffs.There shouldnt even be a situation in which SL buffs are an issue for 1on1 fights, becouse that's not how SL are intended.
SL's buffing themselves - Bad idea. SL's are a support profession meant to be godsend in groups, weak solo.
SL buffs sticking in TEF situations - Gamebreaking and against the rules of BH engagements (where no outside support/heals/buffs were allowed).
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-27-2005 07:45 PM
SL buffs work both ways, if the jedi is grouped with one then you can get their buffs. I was buffing my jedi friends when we were all over mustafar the other night. The risk of jedi grouping is gone so there is no reason for you not to find an SL if your THAT worried about it.
Rizzaka wrote:
SL buffs work both ways, if the jedi is grouped with one then you can get their buffs. I was buffing my jedi friends when we were all over mustafar the other night. The risk of jedi grouping is gone so there is no reason for you not to find an SL if your THAT worried about it.
Doesnt matter.
Rules ofBH TEF: NO OUTSIDE HELP.
It's that simple. No exceptions, no "but". If that's the rule, that's the rule.
"Essential buffs to win" was removed with the CU.
Rizzaka wrote:
MsNil your missing my point, both partys can have them so whats the big deal. SL's finally are usefull and your wanting them nerfed back to being worthless just because you compete on your jedi.
Ok, I lost you. I do not know what you are talking about.
Let me try again:
The rule of engagement in a BH TEF is: NO OUTSIDE HELP
A BH attack is a 1on1 affair. I do not see where being consistent with the core rules of a BH TEF is a "nerf" against SL.
I also do not see how a teamleader screams to himself. I can see him command a droid or an animal but not himself. I do not see why not being able to do so makes SL "useless" for their role. I play a support template myself.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-27-2005 08:06 PM
alls fair in saying that wouldn't you agree?
Rizzaka wrote:
i'll tell you exactally what you tell people on the jedi forums MsNil.... go back to the jedi forums.
alls fair in saying that wouldn't you agree?
Seana- [TC] MRan/MSL/1100BH
I do not see where all the fuzz is about. Staying consistent with the rules is much better than being nerfed for stuff SL's wasnt supposed to be used for in the first place. The BH vs Jedi system is a nerfing spiral. Better keep SL's away from it as soon as possible.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-27-2005 08:18 PM
MsNiL wrote:
Rizzaka wrote:
i'll tell you exactally what you tell people on the jedi forums MsNil.... go back to the jedi forums.
alls fair in saying that wouldn't you agree?
Seana- [TC] MRan/MSL/1100BH
I do not see where all the fuzz is about. Staying consistent with the rules is much better than being nerfed for stuff SL's wasnt supposed to be used for in the first place. The BH vs Jedi system is a nerfing spiral. Better keep SL's away from it as soon as possible.Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-27-2005 08:18 PM
So in order to limit the SL buffs there should be No grouping for jedi OR bh's because lord forbid a jedi is in a group with an SL buff and a bh comes after him. Best to keep them ungrouped to make it 'fair' and working as the devs said because lord forbid they change their minds or the mechanics of the game. Right?
pre publish 24. buffs that existed = doc buffs. you can get those before the tef and use them.
post publish 24. buffs that exist = sl and doc buffs. you can get those before the tef and use them.
both bh and jedi can use both of these buffs. neither of these types of buffs can be applied after the fight has begun.
learn to adapt to the situation you have put your character in. i do not need to adapt my proffesion to accomodate yours.
edited to include: in fact pre publish 24 the squad leader buffs stuck through a jedi/bh tef. no one complained because they only lasted 30seconds. but to sum up, the rules have stayed consistant.
Message Edited by captiansarcasmo on 10-27-2005 03:01 PM
it's not about nerfing or 'limiting'..it's about application. squad leader is just that...a group support role. wether it be group pvp, pve instances like the corvette, etc. I don't believe the role was ever intended to be a bonus buff bot for a 1 vs 1 game option that has little to do with group play. what people are suggesting is that we are inching back to pre-cu...where you stood in lines for 20 minutes to get various buffs just so you could play or compete in the game environment. from vehicles to healing...steps have been taken over the last few months to break the jedi/bh combat down into a 1 on 1 situation with little to no help from outside sources. for manythe additional buffsin that situation seems like a step backwards. Or more simply, setting a rule of engagement and then throwing in different exceptions here and there at the cost of other players professions and skills. (currently doc and sl) There's always exceptions to the rules. Many players simply do not want to see the squad leader profession get abused, and/or have thier new abilities 'adjusted' to balance out something that has nothing to do with rallyingthier team into battle.
Do not allow the Jedi or the Bounty Hunters the opportunity to dictate the future of your profession or group play, or they will. Talk with your Corr. send feedback to the devs.
Message Edited by DiKan on 10-27-2005 03:35 PM
Rizzaka wrote:
So in order to limit the SL buffs there should be No grouping for jedi OR bh's because lord forbid a jedi is in a group with an SL buff and a bh comes after him. Best to keep them ungrouped to make it 'fair' and working as the devs said because lord forbid they change their minds or the mechanics of the game. Right?
Yes. Grouptef was turned off for a reason. BH vs Jedi is a 1on1 affair.
captiansarcasmo wrote:
staying consistant with the rules.... hmmmm
pre publish 24. buffs that existed = doc buffs. you can get those before the tef and use them.
post publish 24. buffs that exist = sl and doc buffs. you can get those before the tef and use them.
both bh and jedi can use both of these buffs. neither of these types of buffs can be applied after the fight has begun.
learn to adapt to the situation you have put your character in. i do not need to adapt my proffesion to accomodate yours.
edited to include: in fact pre publish 24 the squad leader buffs stuck through a jedi/bh tef. no one complained because they only lasted 30seconds. but to sum up, the rules have stayed consistant.
If you became SL to defeat Jedi instead of buffing/supporting your group in the GCW/PVE, then abuse the system while you can then. I severly doubt this stay for long. It is better that the buffs are simply shut down on a BH TEF than the whole squadleader profession nerfed becouse bountyhunters use it as a tool. Whatever is used in the Jedi vs BH war is sucked into a spiral of nerfs and it's in all true Squad Leaders best interest to keep their profession as far away from it as possible.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 10-28-2005 12:05 AM