Smuggler Archive
Thread: Smuggler missions and why we need them?
HMMMM actualy require smuggling to complete? hell thats in game also, our specials (lowblow, the roots that we have and such) we dont want to bring unwanted attention to us as smugglers and killing someone like a npc not a mobWOULD bring unwanted attention. there for we sneek around and cant kill the npc's that are trying to "capture us" any killings would cause us to go on the BH TERMINALS
JFreeman wrote:
Ideally. We don't want to offer "a delivery mission that only smugglers can take", but rather to offer missions that actually require the use of smuggling skills to complete.
WesBelden wrote:
JFreeman wrote:
We're evaluating that system along with other systems in-game to determine what we can do to make a Smuggling system.
In preface to this question I'll state that I'm not attempting to bring up old differences/troubles, but I feel it has to be asked;
You once stated (in JTL Beta) that the smuggling missions in JTL were smuggling missions and that Smugglers would end up seeing Smuggling missions; at the end of this evaluation process, will whatever is decided upon be more complex and meatier than mere delivery/escort missions of the kind seen in JTL to warrant the illustration of a difference between the two with upper and lower case letters (as bizzare a method of comparison as that may seem)?
Message Edited by tralita_tusnami on 08-12-2005 02:47 PM
tralita_tusnami wrote:
Chemistrius wrote:
Let me see what I can smuggle by the empire today...Time to check the ole job board near the starport. Ahh, Login: anonymous Password: password There we go, up and running.
ls -al /smuggling-missions
.. 25000 Looking for spice!!
.. 26435 Need tickets to entertainer mud-wrestling show..
.. 26993 Take box of slicing components to Theed
.. 27003 Escort bothan spy from death star 2 to rebellion HQ
.. 27300 Hide a droid under your coat
Yea, real special eh?
Forgive me for not getting excited about mission terminals.
WHY SO LOW OF A PRICE? 50K MINIMUM AND WHO SAID YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO SMUGGLE IN ADVANCE? ALL YOU KNOW IS THE PRICE AND THE LOCATION FOR THE CONTACT
... 50000 -2300 3000 NABOO
... 50343 -0010 4033 TATTOINE
I was just pulling numbers out of my a..the air, they didn't have to really mean something, the point was about having to belly up to the local smuggler mission terminal. Even if it is just to find contact information its incredibly unimmersive.
HOTDOG wrote:UUUUUGGGGH!
What IS this?
Collect a spreadsheet of our ideas? This late in the game?
So I can, what? Wait around another year for you to repeat the cycle again?
Greenmarine's thread IS still stickied, right?
I mean, you CAN'T still be at the receiving ideas stage can you?
I like that you are looking at GMs design and trying to simplify it- but honestly- you are farther along than accepting ideas, right?
I just can't see this happening.
God, QFE.
Court-Jester wrote:
Why not? You've already done it for Bounty Hunters. I'm pretty sure smugglers deserve at least that and more given the circumstances and past.
You're missing the point Jester. They want NEW missions that require skills gained from the smuggler tree to complete. NOT simply taking the existing delivery missions and making a terminal for them that only smugglers can access. They are attemping to give you some of that special treatment you are barking for. Dont be so confrontational with the nice dev
Chemistrius wrote:
tralita_tusnami wrote:
Chemistrius wrote:
Let me see what I can smuggle by the empire today...Time to check the ole job board near the starport. Ahh, Login: anonymous Password: password There we go, up and running.
ls -al /smuggling-missions
.. 25000 Looking for spice!!
.. 26435 Need tickets to entertainer mud-wrestling show..
.. 26993 Take box of slicing components to Theed
.. 27003 Escort bothan spy from death star 2 to rebellion HQ
.. 27300 Hide a droid under your coat
Yea, real special eh?
Forgive me for not getting excited about mission terminals.
WHY SO LOW OF A PRICE? 50K MINIMUM AND WHO SAID YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO SMUGGLE IN ADVANCE? ALL YOU KNOW IS THE PRICE AND THE LOCATION FOR THE CONTACT
... 50000 -2300 3000 NABOO
... 50343 -0010 4033 TATTOINE
I was just pulling numbers out of my a..the air, they didn't have to really mean something, the point was about having to belly up to the local smuggler mission terminal. Even if it is just to find contact information its incredibly unimmersive.
why wouldnt there be a "UNDERGROUND" network piggybacking on the mision terminals, that smugglers then have to slice to access? we also have thown out the idea of adding npc in places like nyms and jabba's to give out missions that are a bit harder.
SmugglinZane wrote:
Court-Jester wrote:
JFreeman wrote:
Ideally. We don't want to offer "a delivery mission that only smugglers can take", but rather to offer missions that actually require the use of smuggling skills to complete.
Why not? You've already done it for Bounty Hunters. I'm pretty sure smugglers deserve at least that and more given the circumstances and past.
The green text is the fundamental point to it. They're looking to make it more than just a delivery mission, something where being a smuggler, and a good smuggler at that, will actually matter.
To me they are one in the same. We're talking about smuggling missions for anyone? I don't think so. By nature a smuggling mission would be for smugglers. Delivery or not, I highlighted the portion in red simply because hes stating he wants to do a smuggler'esque mission but not exclusive to smugglers? What the hell does that mean?
Therefore, if you can't do it specifically for smugglers why not? It was done for Bounty Hunters...
Message Edited by Court-Jester on 08-12-2005 01:51 PM
SmugglinZane wrote:
Court-Jester wrote:
JFreeman wrote:
Ideally. We don't want to offer "a delivery mission that only smugglers can take", but rather to offer missions that actually require the use of smuggling skills to complete.
Why not? You've already done it for Bounty Hunters. I'm pretty sure smugglers deserve at least that and more given the circumstances and past.
The green text is the fundamental point to it. They're looking to make it more than just a delivery mission, something where being a smuggler, and a good smuggler at that, will actually matter.
As im smuggling i want to be stopped and possibly have to escape from storm troopers/rebel troopers/police/rival's i want to have to defend myself using my abilities to try and escape out of dodge before they overwhelm me.
I want searchs to mean something even as a master smuggler i want a chance of being detected and have to get out of there with my cargo before i get my head blown off, while im doing a smuggler missions i want to be affraid and paranoid everytime i walk past people who are guarding cities and low lifes who think that they can steal the cargo from me.
I look at the difficulty of the BH missions and i want a piece of that, i dont want a cake walk but i do want the aim of my mission to be to escape not be involved in a fight to the finish.
And also i would love a npc sidekick for a bit of fun, though im really not sure how this would work out i just know that sometimes i would like someone who can always watch my back (this part i dont expect to happen though it would be cool)
Well, despite feeling that "punched in the gut" feeling, at least JFreeman comes off as more real than all of the other bull I've heard before.
It is also VERY, VERY disconcerting to hear that they are still looking for ideas after we have been been doing nothing butoffer them great onesfor years now.
I can't put my finger on what exactly it is, but some part of me is upset at the moment...
ls -al /smuggling-missions
.. 25000 Looking for spice!!
.. 26435 Need tickets to entertainer mud-wrestling show..
.. 26993 Take box of slicing components to Theed
.. 27003 Escort bothan spy from death star 2 to rebellion HQ
.. 27300 Hide a droid under your coat
JFreeman wrote:
I like this.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
EVERY ONE HERE IS BLIND, hell i jsut figured it out let me explain:
TRALITA (A SMUGGLER) walks up to a standard mission terminal performs slice (WITH MOLECULAR CLAMPS AND LASER KNIFES BABY) and then turns on the deliver mission, but instead of jsut a standard low pay easy deliverly misson she sees deliverly mission(s) for 50k a pop with a CUT of the deliverly (SLICING LOOT) and sets off to preform the mission, picks up the deliverly and gets a waypoint on another plannet, with the cargo in hand (every single imperial or npc police with in 20 meters will immediatly agro) she heads out to deliver the goods. Is shot at in BESTINE but escapes, and delivers the cargo.
later she takes another mission but slips up and is captured (INCAPED and cargo taken) and is set loose with a warning (3 strikes in 7 days and your out) upon her 3rd strike a bounty mission is placed upon her for 24 IN GAME hours, when the bh incounters her (100 meeters of her)she has 5 minutes to escape to a safe distance of 3000 meeters or off plannet.
THIS SIMPLE SYSTEM USES CONTENT INGAME NOW
and simply doesa few things, allows us to get our own loot, allows lower level BH to hunt other than NPC alowing for intresting match ups, and allows us smugglers to smuggle plane and simple how about that
These are the sorts of things we're looking at now - existing systems we can tie into the (incomplete) smuggling system in order to flesh it out.
Rock on!!! I like the sound of this too.
Court-Jester wrote:
To me they are one in the same. We're talking about smuggling missions for anyone? I don't think so. By nature a smuggling mission would be for smugglers. Delivery or not, I highlighted the portion in red simply because hes stating he wants to do a smuggler'esque mission but not exclusive to smugglers? What the hell does that mean?Therefore, if you can't do it specifically for smugglers why not? It was done for Bounty Hunters...
Message Edited by Court-Jester on 08-12-200501:51 PM
Er, I think you're reading it out of context; what is meant is that they won't simply make a clone of simple delivery missions that are currently in the game (e.g. get a data disc and go to this waypoint with it and if you're extra lucky find some meatlumps to kill before you converse with an NPC and lose the item).
Smuggling missions I think are implicitly restricted to Smugglers, just as BH missions are restricted to BHs and even if they weren't, they shouldn't be completable by none Smugglers anyway (if non-BHs were given marks, they'd have a hard time finding their mark within a month of Sundays).
WesBelden wrote:
Court-Jester wrote:
To me they are one in the same. We're talking about smuggling missions for anyone? I don't think so. By nature a smuggling mission would be for smugglers. Delivery or not, I highlighted the portion in red simply because hes stating he wants to do a smuggler'esque mission but not exclusive to smugglers? What the hell does that mean?
Therefore, if you can't do it specifically for smugglers why not? It was done for Bounty Hunters...
Message Edited by Court-Jester on 08-12-200501:51 PM
Er, I think you're reading it out of context; what is meant is that they won't simply make a clone of simple delivery missions that are currently in the game (e.g. get a data disc and go to this waypoint with it and if you're extra lucky find some meatlumps to kill before you converse with an NPC and lose the item).
Smuggling missions I think are implicitly restricted to Smugglers, just as BH missions are restricted to BHs and even if they weren't, they shouldn't be completable by none Smugglers anyway (if non-BHs were given marks, they'd have a hard time finding their mark within a month of Sundays).
Well said.
That's what I think JF meant.