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Thread: Tuesday Tip

LaughingWolf
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:07 pm
#79


ravingbantha wrote:
Wow and I though jedi acted like babies alot. People getting offended over such a small thing. Please do you hoenstly think the dev's sit around thinking of ways to attack you personally? Grow up you childish bunch of ingrates.
This tuesday tip like every other is nothing more than something to add a little flavor into the game. Did TH come up with it? No probably not, he most likely heard it from another source and though it was cool, so he passed it along. Or mabey it was another Dev that gave him the idea, and since these threads seems to be his baby, he posted it.
If you got offended by my post, good, you fall into that winny sack of **** catagory, and need to get a ******* life. For the rest of you, glad to see some people on these forums don't act like spoiled little 10 year olds.





Got to say, your nick fit you well.

I was not offended by the Tuesday Tip, in fact I do think there was a HUGE overeaction to the whole thing, probably because of the frustration and bitterness level here being very high lately. But your sputtering insult spouting rant did offended me.


Geez it is my "won't be liked" day eh. Me who is usually so soft spoken and mild mannered. Must be the coffee.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 08-10-2005 04:10 PM



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Tiggs
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:08 pm
#80






GanymedePharuu wrote:





Tiggs wrote:

Hello Folks,


I just wanted to comment on the Tuesday Tip that was posted yesterday. In no way was the tip meant as a slap in the face or to take shots at our Smuggler community. Tuesday tips are scheduled ahead of time and posted each week. If anyone was offended by the tip I apologize however our intentions were not malicious.









soooo... what you're saying is that you're on auto-pilot over there, and you're in no way shape or form in touch with the current concerns and issues of the Player community?



No, we are not on auto-pilot.We know exactly what concerns and issues players are currently experiencing as well as wish lists. Please do not twist my words around or troll any further.
GanymedePharuu
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:09 pm
#81

/sigh.

Message Edited by GanymedePharuu on 08-10-2005 01:09 PM



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NickHeel
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:14 pm
#82






Tiggs wrote:






GanymedePharuu wrote:





Tiggs wrote:

Hello Folks,


I just wanted to comment on the Tuesday Tip that was posted yesterday. In no way was the tip meant as a slap in the face or to take shots at our Smuggler community. Tuesday tips are scheduled ahead of time and posted each week. If anyone was offended by the tip I apologize however our intentions were not malicious.




soooo... what you're saying is that you're on auto-pilot over there, and you're in no way shape or form in touch with the current concerns and issues of the Player community?



No, we are not on auto-pilot.We know exactly what concerns and issues players are currently experiencing as well as wish lists. Please do not twist my words around or troll any further.



This is what happens when you call them on their stuff. You get trounced and called out and shown up, then they get to be sore "losers" and /radio in the MODs.


If you all would address the problem like a professional instead of covering it up like a corporate conspiracy, you wouldn't have these problems. But, instead you just deny deny and cover up.


People are angry and fed up with the crap. And if you can't deal with it, TS. And I don't mean Team Speak.






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Tiggs
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:16 pm
#83






SmugglinZane wrote:

Except last we heard we WERE almost out on Test Center a couple of times. Tiggs, there needs to be a serious dialogue between the team and this community. One in which we need to not be inflamatory and where your side speaks honestly, one that actually involves respect from both sides.

I don't recall posting that anything other then slicing changes was ready for Test Center.



We have had players get banned from the forums for discussing what we consider a bug.


Posting bugs will not get people banned (unless it is considered an exploit and you continue to repost the information). Breaking forum rules will get you suspended or ultimately banned.


Warryyr
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:16 pm
#84






Alpha_Bits wrote:

Warryyr, it's been mentioned a few times in this forum that the entertainers (among others... ranger, squad leader, creature handlers, etc) have been bent over and it's not the exclusive domain of the smugglers to be persecuted by the devs. Taking away battle fatigue recently just made me shake my head once again... makes me feel less like smugglers are being picked on in particular, more like it's a general "Any non-Jedi prof" persecution. It's still not good, but misery loves company.


/offer pie





*gobbles down pie hungrily*


That's me, always thinking with my stomach....


/offer beer


Cheers, buddy.


magnum1138
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:25 pm
#85

Chicken!
Ithilkir
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:28 pm
#86

Of course, this is where we realise that "Community Relations" means more than posting "Pounce" or generic annoucements. Communication is a wonderful tool...



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Warryyr
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:30 pm
#87




Folks, go easy on Tiggsy. She's cool, I met her at Fanfest (I meant Celebration III). I don't think she was too fond of me, though. Probably rightfully so. I would probably be scared of and/or hesitant to people around these forums, too lol.


She doesn't make the schedules, she just has to tell people when the schedule changes. She can only report what she's told to report.


As to why SWG doesn't report on new stuff like other games do, there's always been a paranoia from the Devs about saying too much, because these forums in particular are pretty fond of lambasting Devs when the schedule gets moved around - calling them liars, saying they can't keep promises, etc - and the Devs would rather not upset people in the first place by posting things that aren't relatively set in stone - and then have to pull them. Unfortunately, this tactic doesn't really alleviate the problem - then people complain there's no communication. The main goal of the Devs is to upset people as little as possible. Honestly, their approach of "don't talk about it until it's almost a sure thing" probably does a decent job of not upsetting people more than "this cool stuff is coming really soon...no wait, no it's not! Now it's finally coming your way...oops, wrong again, maybe next week!"


I think you'll find that, in general, people who don't want to upset others are good folk.


I wish stuff would get done faster in this game, too. I wish more would get done. I wish each profession got the attention it needed, and the community interaction it desired. But, in the end, the Devs are just people trying to make a fun game...and there's only so much they can do in a day.


Getting too worked up over things won't make the development happen faster. Really. Trust me, I've screamed in the Musician forums for too long, and it didn't do anything except raise my blood pressure.

Message Edited by Warryyr on 08-10-2005 03:37 PM

ravingbantha
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:31 pm
#88






LaughingWolf wrote:




ravingbantha wrote:

Wow and I though jedi acted like babies alot. People getting offended over such a small thing. Please do you hoenstly think the dev's sit around thinking of ways to attack you personally? Grow up you childish bunch of ingrates.


This tuesday tip like every other is nothing more than something to add a little flavor into the game. Did TH come up with it? No probably not, he most likely heard it from another source and though it was cool, so he passed it along. Or mabey it was another Dev that gave him the idea, and since these threads seems to be his baby, he posted it.


If you got offended by my post, good, you fall into that winny sack of **** catagory, and need to get a ******* life. For the rest of you, glad to see some people on these forums don't act like spoiled little 10 year olds.







Got to say, your nick fit you well.

I was not offended by the Tuesday Tip, in fact I do think there was a HUGE overeaction to the whole thing, probably because of the frustration and bitterness level here being very high lately. But your sputtering insult spouting rant did offended me.


Geez it is my "won't be liked" day eh. Me who is usually so soft spoken and mild mannered. Must be the coffee.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 08-10-2005 04:10 PM



Actually your post was one of the few that didn't get to me.

magnum1138
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:32 pm
#89

But pouncing is so much fun!! (after the work is done)
Honestly Communication has improved somewhat the last three weeks.
But we can't leave them of the hook yet.

I am just amazed about the work ethic our CR people must have - i for one wouldn't want to have the well founded critisicm sit on me.
I would do everything i can to change it. And everything they can, it surely ain't.

I just don't believe how they can live with themselves - it can't be satisfying.

Magnum
TashunkaSapa
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:33 pm
#90






Tiggs wrote:

Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.





Game design requires planning - and the problem seems to be, you guys don't even have a plan. The problem isn't that the "direction" changes every day, the problem is that the company line changes every day.


We make a committment to you each month, it's not unreasonable to expect one in return. Show us that you care about your customers, decide what you need to do to satisfy them, tell us what you've got planned and then MAKE IT HAPPEN.


Stop making excuses and start making progress.





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Imperial Pilot Ace/Master Smuggler/Master Bounty Hunter
Master Explorer. Force-Sensitive. HERO OF TATOOINE.
magnum1138
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:37 pm
#91

eeehm Warryyr,

not saying to much isn't what is the problem here.

They don'T say anything - nothing.
If something is actually said on FAN FEST for example - it even gets retracted - so happened in this very thread.

Nothing. We know nothing.
CH revamp: good - did anyone know it was coming. No.
Would it have hurt anymore than it does now, with some people complaning after it hit live. No.
Would a lot of people have enjoyed knowing in advance. I bet.

Magnum
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