Smuggler Archive
Thread: Tuesday Tip
Tiggs wrote:
magnum1138 wrote:
Tiggs you know you have to do better than that.
YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHEN AND THEN STICK TO IT.
Read this board - it's how people FEEL
REAL People are
depressed
Sad
Angry
Bored
Insulted
Actual People - that want to have a good time - and you are doing nothing to changw that - except giving us the feeling that you want us to actually quit.
This can't be your intention - if it ain'T you have to do something and not make more and more mistakes, lies, spin control.
DO IT
Repsectfully
MagnumMessage Edited by magnum1138 on 08-10-2005 11:38 AM
Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.
If the devs announce something early, and its pushed a month plus back... you guys will be right back here complaining. Either way, the devs cannot win.
Drevenwrote:
Yeah...games change. And SWG changed drastically the day the first Jedi unlocked. And it's been nothing but down hill ever since.
If you'd have actually worked on fixing other professions instead of giving the whiny little glow stick wielding *****s everything they wanted and caving everytime they cried "FOUL!," alot more people might still be playing this game.
Tiggs, THAT explains a lot... and actually says a lot about the development environment at SOE. A lot that is not 'good'. Sounds like an amazing lack of coherent leadership and vision... which also explains why bugs keep popping up in weird places when anything new comes along.
Although... that's an off-topic comment, since this thread was about how insulting the 'Tuesday Tip' this week was to smugglers.
Tiggs wrote:
magnum1138 wrote:
Tiggs you know you have to do better than that.
YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHEN AND THEN STICK TO IT.
Read this board - it's how people FEEL
REAL People are
depressed
Sad
Angry
Bored
Insulted
Actual People - that want to have a good time - and you are doing nothing to changw that - except giving us the feeling that you want us to actually quit.
This can't be your intention - if it ain'T you have to do something and not make more and more mistakes, lies, spin control.
DO IT
Repsectfully
Magnum
Message Edited by magnum1138 on 08-10-2005 11:38 AM
Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.
But right now in the Forum world players are feeling like there is no direction. There has to be a middle ground where you can say where you want to take the game and where it is actually heading within the next publish.
Right now the only communication we get on publishes are for the most part "Here's the notes:" and "Post your bugs" 
And that just leaves the players wandering around wondering what is next and why should they pay for one more month when more likely then not there is nothing to look forward to.
Tiggs wrote:
Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.
Tiggs wrote:
Hello Folks,
I just wanted to comment on the Tuesday Tip that was posted yesterday. In no way was the tip meant as a slap in the face or to take shots at our Smuggler community. Tuesday tips are scheduled ahead of time and posted each week. If anyone was offended by the tip I apologize however our intentions were not malicious.
you say that...but look at the last friday feature...GCW old player guide...and then the following tuesday we get a tip that is a /emote slap in the face to the %T smugglers...
Both of these items were supposed to be getting an upgrage/revamp/heavily looked at post CU...yet we have not heard anything about these overhauls and all the smugglers got a new HATED slicing system dumped on them.
I have been here for two years and until recently I have loved this game and given you dev's the benefit of the doubt...not anymore. Lately I have been...ticked off at your lack of communication and how you have treated the veteran community.
(my first post since coming back from a 4 day forced vacation from the forums via an soe suspensionand here I am risking another...not by trolling not by profanity...but for voicing how a large chunk of the community feel).
Tiggs wrote:
Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.
Except last we heard we WERE almost out on Test Center a couple of times. Tiggs, there needs to be a serious dialogue between the team and this community. One in which we need to not be inflamatory and where your side speaks honestly, one that actually involves respect from both sides.
Seriously, you've lost a ton of accounts because we have been ignored time and again, either with content or an explanation why that content is not given.
We have had players get banned from the forums for discussing what we consider a bug.
There's a fundamental difference between the way our sides look at smuggling. You look at it as a content addition, we look at it as game breaking bug since launch. Now is the time to discuss this in order to bridge that gap. I for one would like to see some sort of resolution for once that will actually bring piece of mind to this community and restore some faith in your company, not to mention hopefully bring some great people back to the game.
If I have the choice to either bit*h about no communication or bit*h about ideas that come but out i don't like or are delayed - I choose the second option.
Can'T tell you why - only that it used to be more fun this way - made you think, made you dream,made you scream, made you renew your account
Now its just apathy.
Magnum
Message Edited by magnum1138 on 08-10-2005 12:06 PM
Tiggs wrote:Hello Folks,
I just wanted to comment on the Tuesday Tip that was posted yesterday. In no way was the tip meant as a slap in the face or to take shots at our Smuggler community. Tuesday tips are scheduled ahead of time and posted each week. If anyone was offended by the tip I apologize however our intentions were not malicious.
Why was it bad timing??? It was a great tip, plus Smuggler hasn't been as useful as it is at the moment since launch... fair enough, you can't Smuggle as such (without role-playing), but I love my Master Smuggler!
GanymedePharuu wrote:
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Care to summarize those posts for those of us who don't play Evercamp/crap/crack?Message Edited by SanRa_Ledav on 08-10-2005 02:54 PM
basically the EQII thread is an example of the Devs telling the Player community about upcoming changes. an idea which seems to be lost on the SWG team.
Although those EQ2 changes are on a TC, which is how the CU came about, if you remember.... so not really a good comparison.
Tiggs wrote:
Direction of games change every day due to various reasons. That is why there is nothing definite being posted until it is almost out on Test Center.
Not to be nitpicky here, Tiggs, but this sort of thing is a huge problem of perception that you, as community relations director really needs to work on.
It actually DOES seem that the DEvs/production really DONT have any sort of focus or direction, or plan, and it irritates myself and I'm sure others that the game's direction shows little consistency. I mean, it's not at all uncommon to see whole core systems take a sudden 180 degree turn. To we, who only see what goes into the game, and only hears what you all post here, this doesn't inspire much conficence, as it appears to us that you guys are just flailing away without any plan, roadmap, or vision of any sort of "big picture". The frequency that "the rules" get rewritten makes it almost impossible for anyone but powergamers to EVER get anything done in this game before suddenly you all change your minds and go in the opposite direction.
This sort of thing has got to stop, if you want to (as you have stated) improve the accesibility of this game to a larger audidence.
Communication. Consistency. Quality.
Those thee things are what I believe the community most wants from the staff and management of SWG.
ravingbantha wrote:Wow and I though jedi acted like babies alot. People getting offended over such a small thing. Please do you hoenstly think the dev's sit around thinking of ways to attack you personally? Grow up you childish bunch of ingrates.This tuesday tip like every other is nothing more than something to add a little flavor into the game. Did TH come up with it? No probably not, he most likely heard it from another source and though it was cool, so he passed it along. Or mabey it was another Dev that gave him the idea, and since these threads seems to be his baby, he posted it.If you got offended by my post, good, you fall into that winny sack of **** catagory, and need to get a ******* life. For the rest of you, glad to see some people on these forums don't act like spoiled little 10 year olds.
Okay -
no DEV is allowed to use the word "smuggler" in any way or form unless it's about an improvement or revamp.
Or he will be flamed to pulp.
There is a good reason for that - read the HISTORY thread and you will understand that it in now way compares to any other profession anymore. Read it - then post again - and tell us again we are out of line.
MAgnum