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Thread: SLICING Don't break my weapon, please
TheWok wrote:
Actually, it's more likely they removed it because it was bugged completely. Weapons were not malfunctioning from slicing. They were degrading to 0 condition. That is not how the system was supposed to work. I hold out hope that we'll see the malfunctioning mechanic put back in the game before the Publish goes Live.
Ackehece wrote:
TheWok wrote:
Actually, it's more likely they removed it because it was bugged completely. Weapons were not malfunctioning from slicing. They were degrading to 0 condition. That is not how the system was supposed to work. I hold out hope that we'll see the malfunctioning mechanic put back in the game before the Publish goes Live.
This is the assesment most of us have on the situation.. they want it fixed but they don't want to not give you guys the toys while they work on it.
I hope that this is true. I really, reallllllly hope that this is true.
XStarbracer wrote:
Its akin to forcing people to see Dancers all the time because of BF (which too thankfully is being put to a stop), theres no need to force people to pay us all the time, thats like making defective items, bad business.
Your comparion is not really valid. Battle Fatigue is a default game mechanic. There is no way not to get BF. Slicing is optional. You must choose to go to a smuggler to have your weapon sliced. You must choose to buy pre-sliced weapons and armor. You do not choose to get BF -- you simply get it.
If BF were optional, then your comparison would have merit. Instead, think of it like Jedi. If you want to be "1.5x" as powerful as a regular CL80 character, you take the risk of getting hunted by bounty hunters. If you do not accept that risk, you have no right to expect to be a Jedi.
If you do not want to accept the risk of your weapon malfunctioning in combat, you do not deserve the benefits of having your weapon sliced.
Palath wrote:
From Tiggs... a What's on Deck post:
The item breakage element of weapon and armor slicing has been removed.
Hooray!
Message Edited by XStarbracer on 06-22-2005 03:02 PM
XStarbracer wrote:
Its akin to forcing people to see Dancers all the time because of BF (which too thankfully is being put to a stop), theres no need to force people to pay us all the time, thats like making defective items, bad business.
Are you fecking serious. Do you have one brain cell that works? Are you a compelete moron?
I don't want BF removed from the game. I have to go see a dancer, musician for what 5 minutes every couple of days. That's no hassel it's actualy fun and I go sit in the cantina and speak to the dancers. Taking BF out of the game means I won't do that unless I'm leveling, crafting or buying faction. You are going to see even less and less entinainers and if they can't do feck all. They are being promised a revamp in the way their buffs work. If I was either profession I wouldn't hold my breath seeing how we've been promised so much and all we get is this crap. I feel really sorry them and you laughing at them so you don't have to be dependant on someone in a MMO is bull.
Do you remember pre-cu? All AS and WS had pre-sliced vendors. AS and WS had their alts or Slice monkeys doing most of the. Bet you loved being someones lacky didn't ya? There was no customers for normal smugglers, very little business unless you charged below 5k per slice. Guess what's going to happen those slice monkeys are going to reapper and you can bet I will refuse to be one.
For the last time
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO GET THEIR WEAPON SLICED! IT'S YOUR CHOICE BUT IF YOU DO THEN THERE SHOULD BE A RISK.
Please get that into your thick useless skull,
Message Edited by EnderUK on 06-23-2005 10:57 AM
This is so right no one is forcing you to get weapon sliced. You can carry a second weapon to.
EnderUK wrote:
XStarbracer wrote:
Its akin to forcing people to see Dancers all the time because of BF (which too thankfully is being put to a stop), theres no need to force people to pay us all the time, thats like making defective items, bad business.
Are you fecking serious. Do you have one brain cell that works? Are you a compelete moron?
I don't want BF removed from the game. I have to go see a dancer, musician for what 5 minutes every couple of days. That's no hassel it's actualy fun and I go sit in the cantina and speak to the dancers. Taking BF out of the game means I won't do that unless I'm leveling, crafting or buying faction. You are going to see even less and less entinainers and if they can't do feck all. They are being promised a revamp in the way their buffs work. If I was either profession I wouldn't hold my breath seeing how we've been promised so much and all we get is this crap. I feel really sorry them and you laughing at them so you don't have to be dependant on someone in a MMO is bull.
Do you remember pre-cu? All AS and WS had pre-sliced vendors. AS and WS had their alts or Slice monkeys doing most of the. Bet you loved being someones lacky didn't ya? There was no customers for normal smugglers, very little business unless you charged below 5k per slice. Guess what's going to happen those slice monkeys are going to reapper and you can bet I will refuse to be one.
For the last time
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO GET THEIR WEAPON SLICED! IT'S YOUR CHOICE BUT IF YOU DO THEN THERE SHOULD BE A RISK.
Please get that into your thick useless skull,
Message Edited by EnderUK on 06-23-2005 10:57 AM
Just GROW UP and take this one in the crotch. You might even enjoy it.
Vlherg wrote:
It's all well and good to say "we like the new system" but what if our customers don't? Oops, no one wants slices anymore, no business at all - let alone repeat business.
We talk of risk and reward. Lets look at the figures. 8% damage and 10% speed. At double mastery a speed slice like that is pretty much as irrelevant as it was under the old system (it drops my pistol speed by about .12 seconds) so what we're offering is an 8% damage increase with the risk of critical fail that renders the weapon unusable until you get it repaired by a smuggler (Has anyone yet checked the numbers on test centre to see if it's an 8% to max damage or does it work like powerups giving an increase closer to 8% of minimum damage?).
After the first time they die due to weapon failure when fighting a high level mob, or have to give up their evening of PVP because their favourite weapon broke and they need tosearch fora smuggler to repair it, how many people are going to come back to us to get more weapons sliced just to get 8% damage? I've been holding off doing slices for people now saying a new system is coming but even under the current broken system I have a chance to get over 8%
I simply don't see 8% as being a sufficient incentive to risk the chance that your weapon could fail completely at the worst possible moment. About to fight that ancient krayt? Hmmm, had my weapon sliced 2 weeks ago and it hasn't broken yet, better not use it for this in case it breaks. So why get it sliced when I can't rely on it at the times I need the extra performance the most?
We need to be able to get better increases in the weapon now that slicing carries more risk and instead of the weapon becoming disabled it should suffer a reduction in performance to below it's unsliced levels, that way breakage is going to make your fight harder but is a lot less likely to lead to a "what the hell just happened???? you have been slain by etc".... moment.
Was it really so hard to comprehend? If you didn't want to take a chance on the weapon breaking... you didn't have to get it sliced.
Considering how low the increases are with the new slicing system, slicing isn't a "gotta have it" thing, anyway. Getting an illegal sliceis just a little boost.
But since people will whine about anything that seems a little risky, we get our watered-down slicing system watered-down even more.
AngusMacGregor wrote:
Was it really so hard to comprehend? If you didn't want to take a chance on the weapon breaking... you didn't have to get it sliced.
Considering how low the increases are with the new slicing system, slicing isn't a "gotta have it" thing, anyway. Getting an illegal sliceis just a little boost.
But since people will whine about anything that seems a little risky, we get our watered-down slicing system watered-down even more.
Oh I comprehend the post tiggs made perfectly.
And So'ren is a Msmuggler so im not worried about that. La-grange my jedi doesn't have anything that can be sliced so again I am not worried about either toon. I am not going to reduce the reliability of anyones weapons for profit. Plain and simple.
Real life example using firearms. If i mount a scope on my rifle to increase precision (yes there is a difference between precision and accuracy) of my shooting. The I would expect my rifle to function as it oncedid with the exception ofplacing the bullets I shoot closer together onmy target. If I have a trigger job done on that rifle to lighten the pull then I would expect my rifle to functionthe same as before with the exception of having a light trigger which would futher increase my precision. If my rifle broke due to these modifications and not due to abuse then the person who made these modifications would end up in court and I would end up with a nice settlement.Cars, computers, whatever. When you make a modification to increase perfomance you expect things to work as before. If you have repeat customers due to part breakage then that leads to a loss in sales, therefore bad business.
Message Edited by La-grange on 06-23-2005 06:42 AM