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Thread: Does anyone else think the devs play bounty hunters.
Neclonmite wrote:
"What do you guys expect? You get pistol 4 and unarmed 4 and you think you should be gods?"
It always comes back to the pre-reqs. You want to base this on pre-reqs? Scout isn't a combat profession. BH is hybrid combat and scout. Quit calling yourself a pure combat profession. As far as pure combat pre-reqs go the Commando has BH beat hands down. Yet a BH will own a commando 90% of the time. How do you justify that?
You will next try to fall on "oh but i have to spend so many skillpoints" But thats' crap too. When anyone spends just as many skillpoints as a BH in all combat abilities and still cant compete then somethings wrong. Period.
Wrong
We both need Master Marksman
They need Unarmed 4. We need Master Scout. Trapping XP is a combat line, which evens it up nicely.
Hunting gives us the edge. We get bonuses to attack and damage to all creatures. This is DEFINATELY a combat line.
So far in this thread people thing 1) commandos have plain MORE pre reqs, 2) smugglers only have 2 less and 3) commandos have more combat pre reqs.
Wow smugglers attract the best gamers.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
just so you know.. the scout part is just Rping material is serves no real use to the Bounty hunter all you really are is a master marksman. heh
The /mask scent is invaluable, the bonus to hit vs creatures comes in handy often, and I can't live without the terrain negociation.
Since scout is only half combat, we should get bonuses within bounty hunter to make up for it.
No trapping isnt a combat line. It's a crafting line. Just like Spices. You craft something that can be used in battle... Just like spices can be used in battle. Simple as that. As far as PURE combat lines go, marksman is the only ones you have to get. Commando get marksman and unarmed. Means they have to get 1 more pure combat line than you.
Hunting is an animals line. We're talking about pvp here so as far as combat in pvp hunting is not a part of it. Besides only 1 of the 4 hunting boxes gives any sort of combat related abilities. That's box 2 with +10 to hit creatures. AGain not pvp related, and the xp required is ALSO not combat xp. It's more of a crafting/mining type skill if anything.
You're really stretching with trying to make any of the scout lines mean anything in pvp combat. And failing horribly.
"The /mask scent is invaluable, the bonus to hit vs creatures comes in handy often, and I can't live without the terrain negociation.
Since scout is only half combat, we should get bonuses within bounty hunter to make up for it."
I agree wholeheartedly. But now you at least admitting that half the reqs for your profession don't fit into it as it stands. Just because your class is unfinished and deserves scout-related bonuses and abilities doesn't justify you being gods in pvp. It simply justifies you getting scout-like abilities and bonuses in your bh lines somewhere and making them useful for doing BOUNTY HUNTING. Not pvp.
For the dark mysterious folk Bounty Hunters are supposed to be, you all whine an awful lot.
Shall I make arrangements for a wahmbulance?
/Naruto
P.S. Rate me 1 star, I don't like you anyway. Go back to your own forum.
SanTsu wrote:
I have never asked for bounty hunters to be nerfed. I swear you guys most do a search for any thread with bounty hunter in it and attack just to try and keep your uber status.
1) "That what I am yelling for I have alot of defesnes against it but they dont work. I also think that if we get hit with the knckdown nerf well its your turn. HaHa "
2) "Everyone pushed to nerf knockdowns well now its your turn. "
Kathul's right. No wonder correspondents don't get answered.
"You are half crafter half combat. Your main class is smuggler and it is not intended to be a class that is oriented in PVP.
Explain me **edit** is underworld doing in our skills for then???
And besides...Bounty hunters have how many pistol trees already? And smugglers? Explain me why bounty hunters shoudl be better at pistol than smugglers? What you get is you'll be better at carbine and LLC. That's what your additional trees are for.
Compare pistol skill trees, a BH doesn't pay more than a smuggler.
Actually the main problem is that all of our mods/skills are in one east to get line...
Every BH you judge is a pistoleer with some BH skills, the BH tree on a whole is not all that great in comparison to every other combat tree.
NO we are NOT better with a pistol then a pistoleer...We have +2 speed over them, and +30 general accuracy, they have more accuracy while running and standing to compensate...They are all around better gun fighters...
The trees are balanced, the problem and solution is simple.
Every other class has its mods spread evenly throughout the tree, the BH is NOT like this, the solution should be to make 3 of the BH's branches into "weapon specilization branches"
And spread all of our modifiers through all the branches, so in order to get all the BH's abilities you would have to spend all the 217 skill points.
Again, the problem is not that were overpowered, its that all of our power is condensed in a single branch 
, it does need to be spread out.
BTW I gauruntee I can defeat a true master BH with a 220 point combat oriented char....
what I can NOT defeat is a Pistoleer/Carbineer with BH pistol/carbine skills....
So PLEASE if your looking for somone to rant on san, go to their boards, or ask the devs to diversify our mods/specials through the tree.
Frankly eye shot should be moved to investigation 3 and dizzy to invest 4
"NO we are NOT better with a pistol then a pistoleer..."
Mhhh...Eye shot?
"Actually you're wrong. BH pays for Master Marksman which has lots of neato pistol goodies in there. "
Actually, you're right. That's from memory +10 pistol speed and accuracy. Ok, I'm willing to concede that, no problem.
Now, for other people, explain me why a BH should be a better pistoleer than a smuggler...because he spent points on carbine and LLC??????? That's nonsense. The overpowered in the BH is the special moves, not their skill mods. Remember atm what smugglers get for the SAME pistol XP is...Last Dicth and this is it. Low Blow's timer makes it unworthy to use, and panic shot is plain bugged.
The reason why a BH is better than a Pistoleer is obvious. The defense mods in the Pistoleer tree don't work yet. Wait until they do, and you'll see a little more balance. BH's don't get defense mods.
Oh, and hi Sluggy. 