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Thread: People will hate me… but here is the secret…

yimaz
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:15 am
#66






Shrendyc wrote:





yimaz wrote:

...while on Nadoo...





Yimaz, that is great news - problem is, I can't seem to find the planet "Nadoo" anywhere...




Its next to Ork! (e.i. Mork and Mindy, old 70's show....anone?? god im old).........




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JohnHackworth
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:27 am
#67






yimaz wrote:






Its next to Ork! (e.i. Mork and Mindy, old 70's show....anone?? god im old).........






Watched it every day it was on when I was growing up! Nanoo Nanoo!


-Hack





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Obed
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:31 am
#68






JohnHackworth wrote:









XxMaddSeazyn wrote:

You know what. Here. Do this.


Get a nickle, or whatever is the biggest U.S coin, I'm from England, I don't know. Get a pen and some paper. Flip that coin 100 times. Now add up the variables, and tell me, how's the chance it's gonna land on heads on the 101st flip.


Oh yeah, that's right. 50/50.


The defense rests it's case, unless better and more conclusive evidence can be brought to the stand.







Actually, it's been proven that there is a bias towards whatever side the coin starts on (i.e., if it starts heads, there is a bias towards heads.) Not to throw a monkey-wrench into the works, I'm just feeling contrary today, and every time this slicing argument comes up, it makes me grouchy


http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1697475


Oh, and the largest coins in America are, in order: Silver Dollar (rare), 50-cent piece (rare as well), Golden Dollar, Quarter (smaller than a Golden Dollar by a hair.)


-Hack


Message Edited by JohnHackworth on 06-10-2004 10:35 AM



I thought it was biased towards the heavier (i.e. buklier engraving) side landing down...





Obed T'Bo'Akh / Andreau Tiqaras
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Obed
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:37 am
#69






Big_Dan_T wrote:

[quote]This also works with blackjack and roulette too. Just be sure to go to a table where they use multiple decks for black jack. They face the cards up and keep an eye out for strings of face/10 cards and low 2 or 3 cards. Almost like card counting except you don't need to count. Just look. In roullette if red/black comes up several times in a row odds are the next one will be the opposite color.[/quote]


please tell me that you are joking,

and if not tell me you failed maths







Well, the issue with blackjack is that the total options get thinner with each hand. If you've seen lots of face cards, there's less face-cards in the total set. And thus, your odds of gettinga high-level cardhave gone down. As far as roulette, it's totally 50/50 for red and black, because (as has been pointed out) the ball has no memory.


Of course, if you were trying to caclulate the odds of getting redx times in a row, that's another mathematical issue all together.





Obed T'Bo'Akh / Andreau Tiqaras
"Yeah, what if you fell? Alas for the jigglybits" ~ Sakkra on Male Nude Cycling
yimaz
Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:47 am
#70






JohnHackworth wrote:





yimaz wrote:






Its next to Ork! (e.i. Mork and Mindy, old 70's show....anone?? god im old).........






Watched it every day it was on when I was growing up! Nanoo Nanoo!


-Hack






Shazbot! me 2 (i was 7 or so i think) It was Mork and Mindy, Chips (had the action figures), Happy days, Lavern and Shirley, The Muppet Show (the alice cooperepisode my fav), Whats Happening (hey, hey, hey!) the list goes on but I hope ive brought back some lost memories!




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Karamak
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:17 pm
#71

Actually, statistically speaking the chances of getting 4 like slices in a row are the same as getting 4,000 or 4,000,000,000 like slices in a row 50%. the reason for this is each slice is its own event. The human mind automatically looks for patterns in its environment because that is how we relate to our environment. So a person looking at a list of 5000 damage / speed slices might pick two or three groups of 5 or 10 slices that appear to have a pattern and claim that is enough of a pattern to to be significant. If you ran the 5000 entries through statisital software and let it find a pattern you would probably see a report of no statistical significance, the reason for this is the software is not biased to find a pattern like the human mind is.


Karamak
KaiRan
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:37 pm
#72

It's like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, all over again.



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Jandel-Har
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:43 pm
#73






KaiRan wrote:

It's like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, all over again.






Who are they and when did they die?



Just Dak - Flurry
KaiRan
Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:15 pm
#74







Jandel-Har wrote:


Who are they and when did they die?





Anyone have a link to the coin toss scene at the beginning? It's worth seeing, and the coin scene is quite similar to some of our longer discussions regarding "patterns" when slicing.



imdb's entry on the film adaptation:





The first paragraph of this sumary will (barely) capture some of what I mean:



Message Edited by KaiRan on 06-10-2004 07:32 PM



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Obed
Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:52 pm
#75








Karamak wrote:

Actually, statistically speaking the chances of getting 4 like slices in a row are the same as getting 4,000 or 4,000,000,000 like slices in a row 50%. the reason for this is each slice is its own event.


Karamak





Well meaning point, but technically not true. The chances of getting two speed slices in a row are 25%, not 50%. When you do two slices here are the options:



  1. speed on first, speed on second

  2. damage on first, damage on second

  3. speed on first, damage on second

  4. damage on first, speed on second.

When you are working on getting x number of a specific slice in a row, the oddsincrease exponentionally by a factor2^x. Getting the desired slice once in a row is (1:2)^1 or 1:2 (50%). Twice in a row is (1:2)^2 or 1:4 (25%). Three times in a row is (1:2)^3 or 1:8 (12.5%). It halfs every time. You see the pattern.


4 of a particular slice in a row is a 6.25% chance. 4,000 in a row is approximately a (7.6 x 10^-1203)%chance (for those of you who don'tdo scientific notation, that's 1203 0's after the decmil point before you get to the 7.6. ie blastedly small). For 4,000,000 in a row, the numbers are too big for my calculator to handle.


If you're talking any slice in a row (i.e. you don't care if it's speed or damage) your chances double. Two of either slice in a row gets 2(1:2)^2 or 50%. Three of either slice in a row is 2(1:2)^3 or 25%. Four of either slice in a row is 2(1:2)^4 or 12.5%. 4,000 of either slice in a row is 2(1:2)^4,000 or (1.5 x 10^-1202)%. Still too big for 4,000,000 to be done on my calc.


While the chances of any particular individual slice are 50%, once you start talking about slices in a row, your math gets much more complex.

Message Edited by Obed on 06-11-2004 03:17 PM




Obed T'Bo'Akh / Andreau Tiqaras
"Yeah, what if you fell? Alas for the jigglybits" ~ Sakkra on Male Nude Cycling
DarthMinos
Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:17 pm
#76

I just read the original post, and frankly, for all the big words and philosophizing, it proved nothing. It essentially game down to, I trust my gut on this, and therefore I am right.


If you really got it figured out, how about sharing the secret with the rest of us? Until then, I see no reason to give your post any more consideration.

This is a lot like the guys that said they knew how to unlock a Jedi before anybody did, said that anybody could figure out, insulted everyone who hadn't, yet wouldn't reveal their secret.



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Jandel-Har
Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:04 pm
#77

There is entirely too much math in this thread.



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yimaz
Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:46 pm
#78

Math hurts my head......



awwwwwa, see what i mean.



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