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Thread: Smugglers forgotten AGAIN

Astrus
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:18 pm
#53


"When I see posts here, such as the one made by Astrus, I don't know if a reasoned out explanation will work with them."



Im not trying to attack you CAYLIN, but that was obvious in my post. Im asking you do do more than get reponses from the Dev's.


I wouldnt go so far as to insult your forum searching skills and post links to the THICK BH and Jedi threads that show them complaining up a storm for thier profession. But then again i was very surprised to sit here and read this.....


Smuggler_Caylin wrote:


The way you get things worked on in the correspondent system does not revolve around pitching a fit, whining and bitching about your problems.



Anyone who has played this game for more than 9 months KNOWS that the whiners GET WHAT THEY WANT and then some. I was very surprised to see that from you Caylin.



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Smuggler has the most polite profession base in SWG, and unluckily for us SOE/Dev's dont give code to the polite folks, they dance for the complainers and the ppl who spend more time in the forums than they do in game.


I think that your response to my posts as me not being a "reasonable" person is an insult to me and to the ppl who are fed up w/ the mistreatement, disrespect and flat out IGNORING of the profession that wed like to have fun w/ when we log into this game that we PAY FOR.


Thats right ...did you forget that we actually PAY FOR THIS GAME???.... The complacency/patience you show for the Smuggler revamp is that of someone who plays this game for FREE brother....Dont ignore the fact that the complainers are getting what they want man....where have you been for the last 9 months? Have you ever read the BH forums and seen the complaining???


I want a working profession, i pay for this game, i have been ignored FOR MONTHS now and 2 professions have had 2-3 revamps while i still dont have a friggen description/attributes/abilities for my mastering of smuggler.


Its not cool....We have been more than polite...I see the responses you have gotten from the Dev's but i think youll agree that 'responses doesnt get me the code needed for my profession (obviously)'.


We still dont have what we deserve and the whiners are getting code for themselves as we speak.


I pay to play and I want AT LEAST ONE revamp...BH's have had 2-3 MAJOR revamps and we have had NONE Caylin.


...and we are just suppose to sit and be polite and enjoy the RESPONSES you show us??....we need CODE Caylin...and im sure youll agree that we've been MORE THAN patient enough....right?




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Astrus
Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:56 am
#54

HISTORY SHOWS THAT THE WHINERS GET THE REPSECT in this game.....


The treatment of BH's adn Jedi is starting to disgust me now. Ive been here since launch and i dont get into the Forums often but I must say that smugglers are and getting shafted........and as much as i hate to say this......WE ARE GETTING SHAFTED BECAUSE WE ARENT WHINING....and thats basically the long and short of it.


I mean....BH's got ANOTHER revamp (setting the scout prereq to exploring IV)


What is it going to take for them to get it through thier heads to GET SMUGGLER FINISHED BEFORE JTLS.


You can pitch me any excuse you want SOE/Caylin but the fact is as a master smuggler I STILL DONT HAVE anything to show for unarmed IV, I still dont have ANY attributes or abilities to be proud of my master title (nor do i even have a FRIGGEN DESCRIPTION) and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and im sick of this crap!


Caylin..............please stop being complacent w/ the way smugglers have been treated over the last year and represent us w/ the boldness, assuredness and conviction that the Jedi and BH representatives have.


BH forums singlehandedly ruined CH and got the MOST ATTENTION of any profession in this game due to the whining that went on there....





Its time for us to get our due and my patience has run out.....



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nerfherder321
Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:47 am
#55

no no they havent forgotten, look... i bet this is osme big joke, and the day its "released" we will sit in line and download a 2.8 kb patch that hs the text "haha i dont beleive it! you atually we thought we were going to revamp YOU! ahahahaah patch 11 notes: removed spice (becasue we can), slicing makes items worse-to remove slices go to jedi and have them use "force item heal", feign death can accidently make you die due to "bugs", sliced armor will sometimes spontaniously combust, and crash and burn...will in fact make you crash.. and or burn. food and drink buffs will be twice as great, and jedi have the power to slay people instantly'" just a horrifying thought in the back of my mind... REALLY!




Cheat Fetto
nerfherder321
Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:48 am
#56

btw, look at commandos, how come we cant be like the REPUBLIC COMMANDO commandos? i'll tell you why, the same reason why smugglers cant smuggle. they hate us




Cheat Fetto
mrbleepbleep
Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:25 am
#57

(On Caylin's reposts from the correspondent forum)


You have a difficult balancing act to do in your position, and for what it's worth, I think you're doing it just right. At least we know we have one avenue of communication we can trust



Dasharr Eandall - Elder Smuggler
Amantha Galinn - Apprentice Smuggler
"The Jedi embrace peace butdeny passion.
The Sith covet passion but reject peace.
Neither is the whole truth. Life needs both passion and peace."
Astrus
Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:51 am
#58






mrbleepbleep wrote:

(On Caylin's reposts from the correspondent forum)


You have a difficult balancing act to do in your position, and for what it's worth, I think you're doing it just right. At least we know we have one avenue of communication we can trust





Im glad that you feel at ease w/ what you have seen thus far mrbleepbleep, and i mean you no disrespect.


But it going to take alot more than ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from the Dev's/SOE to win my trust, and the record shows that NOTHING but 'responses in order to test and exploit our patience' (in order to give attention to the more irrate or the SWG community) has been given tosmugglers from the Dev's/SOE since the launch of this game.


Caylin seems like a cool guy who wants to better the smuggling profession....im giving my feedback as a means to help smugglers not as a means to beat up on Caylin...and right now what smugglers need is to get on SOE's back and not get off until we get what we want, and what we want is something that we've been asking for, for a looooong time now. And we shouldnt be afraid, embarrassed or feel badly about forcefully asking for what we've been PROMISED and what we have been LONG overdue for, and thats a little respect and well placed attention.





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Astrus
Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:53 am
#59

good lord the above is full of typo's....how do you go back and edit?




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mrbleepbleep
Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:07 am
#60



Astrus wrote:
good lord the above is full of typo's....how do you go back and edit?





You need a post count of 100+ to edit. And in regard to your previous post - I wouldn't say that I'm "at ease" with the way the Devs have handled the Smuggler profession and community. I'm as annoyed by the lack of communication and failed deadlines as anyone. But I stand by my opinion that Caylin's strategy of keeping our voices heard but being diplomatic is the right way to go. If we're too militant, we run the risk of getting a revamp that doesn't do us much good (or more harm than good), or alienating the rest of the playerbase.



Dasharr Eandall - Elder Smuggler
Amantha Galinn - Apprentice Smuggler
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The Sith covet passion but reject peace.
Neither is the whole truth. Life needs both passion and peace."
Zhagadska
Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:54 am
#61






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

I hinted at this earlier, but at some point the developers want to hold a correspondent summit in Austin. Hopefully reasonably soon.


While I believe the goal will be to discuss the combat balance, I will certainly be doing my best to get you all represented there.


Hopefully I will get more information I can share with yall, so I can best prepare to represent you while addressing the concerns that are bringing us there in the first place.






i'll show ya around Austin caylin after you'ver exhausted yerself by beating up the devs, i'll hook ya up with some purty college girls



InVictus Kell - Smuggler for Life
Started: Beta 2
Retired : 1-27-06

It's been fun...
CadenceX
Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:43 pm
#62

The disenchantment I believe, at least for me, is that when I bought the game (2 mnths into release) I was under the notion I couldimmerse myselfin a MMORPG that would allow me to play outmy childhood movie idol persona of Han Solo. Screw jedi. Lotsa jedi games out there that undoubtedly conquer the immersion factor of being a jedi.


Plain and simple. The SWG universe hinges not only on jedi, but on mortal and perhaps even flawed guys like Han Solo. Doing the daring feats in ways few think of. Risk takers. Optimists.

In terms of standing at the isle deciding to purchase SWG, the promise of a smuggling profession that would enable one to be an actual Smuggler is something this game hasn't delivered on. Boasting about all types of professions and the player based economy, my original interaction with smuggler after I purchased the game left me unclear as to what the professionwas supposed to be. I could see where the content was supposed to go, though it hardly seemed smugglers were a neccassary revolution to the game as a whole. I decided on other professions with the idea that I'd definately come back and live out the dream of a space faringscoundrel with a wicked grin and wookie for a sidekick. Sadly, I have returned to find the profession less than what it once was.


If anything, I understand the plight of spirit we smugglershave with content thateffectively isn't worth much to the overall experience of SWG. When we know it should be, is rightfully heir to the content in much more than it currently is. I believe in the tighter knitcommunity of smugglers, because they manage to play and remain hopeful and respectful overall of the idea that eventually, smugglers will get thier due. That it'll be worth it in the long run, and SWG and the gaming experience we've spent the last yr+ on will be something positive that transcends our time here. I can't blame those who speak openly for fear of getting lost in the immense code. ThoughI admire greatly the heart of those who remain and strive to keep it from being submersed entirely.


/soapboxx2





Cadence (Mil.) A uniform time and place in marching.

Smuggler/ Pistoleer
Astrus
Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:05 pm
#63






mrbleepbleep wrote:





Astrus wrote:

good lord the above is full of typo's....how do you go back and edit?






You need a post count of 100+ to edit. And in regard to your previous post - I wouldn't say that I'm "at ease" with the way the Devs have handled the Smuggler profession and community. I'm as annoyed by the lack of communication and failed deadlines as anyone. But I stand by my opinion that Caylin's strategy of keeping our voices heard but being diplomatic is the right way to go. If we're too militant, we run the risk of getting a revamp that doesn't do us much good (or more harm than good), or alienating the rest of the playerbase.





thanks for the info about editing.


Im also afraid of getting a revamp that isnt good, but I'm more angry at the fact that not even enough attention has been given to us to even give us a BAD revamp. At this point id accept a BAD revamp than NO revamp at all...ive been waiting and reading forums for a long time now and i KNOW i echo the majority of smugglers when i say that 'we feel ignored and disrespected and we havebeen the MOST polite profession base in the game thus far, given the fact that we have had no care given from the ppl who control this game. We pay to play and all of us want our due...even the most patient of this profession base is at a boiling point.


To say im "militant" is going too far also, but to say that im a consumer that feels and KNOWS hes being pushed aside (after showing gratuitous amounts of politeness and patience) just because im NOT complaining as much as the other profession bases who get respect, ONLY because they are MORE vocal about thier displeasure of their profession.


Lets stop trying to say that complacency in what has been done is the past is WORKING. ITS NOT WORKING folks.


...and if you feel like enough is enough and youre reading this post slap a few words in this thread let it be known that this is ridiculous.



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FeynBarich
Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:26 pm
#64

The smuggler revamp is just like Doom 3 and HL2... it will only come out when you stop thinking about it.




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Astrus
Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:38 pm
#65






FeynBarich wrote:
The smuggler revamp is just like Doom 3 and HL2... it will only come out when you stop thinking about it.






lol


thopefully they will respond to us b4 all of us start playing WOW or some of the other cool games that are getting ready to come out while SOE is trying to fix up this bugger.




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