Smuggler Archive

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MisterCode wrote:

I really want to see the slicing statistics by item type. I don't doubt the randomness at all. But having sliced a dozen sets of composite armor I have seen a skewed pattern. Only once have I sliced a Helm for encumbrance. Only twice have I sliced a Chest place for encumbrance......
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So, random yes. Even, not hardly. I wouldn't be suprised if those pieces that would really benefit from a specific slice were somehow weighted to get the less beneficial slice.

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MisterCode....
All of the armor data in my original post I DO have broken down by piece. But if you can wait until next week, I have beenaskedto slice another 30 suits of composite this weekend, so I can add them into the totals. I will try to update everything on Monday or Tuesday.

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Larki wrote:

Jesus! Only 5.69% of the time you get a 30%+ED!!! I bought 30 VKs expecting at least one to be a 35%ED but best I got was 33% (and in leiu of this data, IM GLAD I GOT THAT!).

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I want to comment onthis post. This is both wrong and almost right.Larki's post (page 1)was based on the post above his that I thinkhe mis-interpreted. The post above his was referring to a 30% damage slice only, NOT a 30% AND OVER slice.

According to my data, you have about a 12.1% (169 out of 1388) chance of getting a 30+ damage slice IF YOU GET A DAMAGE SLICE. However, since you only have a 50-50 chance (approximately) of getting a damage slice, that lowers the odds of a 30+ damage slice to about 6%.

This means if Larki brings me 30 VKs, he should hopefully see one or two 30+ damage slices.

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WayneInAustin wrote:

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Larki wrote:

Jesus! Only 5.69% of the time you get a 30%+ED!!! I bought 30 VKs expecting at least one to be a 35%ED but best I got was 33% (and in leiu of this data, IM GLAD I GOT THAT!).

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I want to comment onthis post. This is both wrong and almost right.Larki's post (page 1)was based on the post above his that I thinkhe mis-interpreted. The post above his was referring to a 30% damage slice only, NOT a 30% AND OVER slice.

According to my data, you have about a 12.1% (169 out of 1388) chance of getting a 30+ damage slice IF YOU GET A DAMAGE SLICE. However, since you only have a 50-50 chance (approximately) of getting a damage slice, that lowers the odds of a 30+ damage slice to about 6%.

This means if Larki brings me 30 VKs, he should hopefully see one or two 30+ damage slices.

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Actually you have calculated the chances against the overall slices (1388) wich means that you actually have a 12.2% chance of getting a damage 30%+ slice each and everytime you slice a weap. If you got a damage slice the number increases to 24.8%. Am i not right? You should get about 3 or 4 of thoose VK's sliced for 30%+ dam.

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Eater-of-worlds wrote:

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WayneInAustin wrote:

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Larki wrote:

Jesus! Only 5.69% of the time you get a 30%+ED!!! I bought 30 VKs expecting at least one to be a 35%ED but best I got was 33% (and in leiu of this data, IM GLAD I GOT THAT!).

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I want to comment onthis post. This is both wrong and almost right.Larki's post (page 1)was based on the post above his that I thinkhe mis-interpreted. The post above his was referring to a 30% damage slice only, NOT a 30% AND OVER slice.

According to my data, you have about a 12.1% (169 out of 1388) chance of getting a 30+ damage slice IF YOU GET A DAMAGE SLICE. However, since you only have a 50-50 chance (approximately) of getting a damage slice, that lowers the odds of a 30+ damage slice to about 6%.

This means if Larki brings me 30 VKs, he should hopefully see one or two 30+ damage slices.

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Actually you have calculated the chances against the overall slices (1388) wich means that you actually have a 12.2% chance of getting a damage 30%+ slice each and everytime you slice a weap. If you got a damage slice the number increases to 24.8%. Am i not right? You should get about 3 or 4 of thoose VK's sliced for 30%+ dam.

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I just checked it. You do have a 12.2% chance of getting a damage slice of 30% or more, if you round up from 12.17%. That is overall on weapons and that includes the possibility of a speed slice. To me that seems like pretty good odds. I think I have had some very bad luck with weapon slices, only have had maybe 3 or 4 of my weapons with a damage slice over 30%. I mostly just buy pre-sliced stuff, and you can see why.

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Larki wrote:

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makimus wrote:

/sigh

i thought you guys figured this out a couple months ago.

anyway, newbie smugglers there ya go. its all random.

this is why i dropped smuggler and went straight to doctor. until the smuggler revamp, that is. hopefully

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I thought random meant it would be an even distribuiton : / I could have my definitions mixed up though...

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Wait wait wait.

Before you guys waste alot of work trying to determine if quality matters just know that GreenMarine even said it very recently in our forum that tool quality doesn't matter and that master smugglers DO indeed recieve a bonus to slicing over slicing 4

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winkindirdeye wrote:

made 12 geo blaster last night,9 speed sliced, 3 dam sliceed [best was 28%] most of the time i really hate smuggler!!

Message Edited by winkindirdeye on 06-16-2004 10:05 AM

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Hey, run a combat simulator on those pistols. Because pistoleers don't have a good pistol speed mod(unless they have BH pistols too), if they are not krayt, speed sliced geos will actually have a higher dps. I sliced 6, and found that the 4 speed sliced ones were all higher dps to my pistoleer 4342(pistol speed +42)than the best damage sliced one.

Rifles are a different matter since masters have +90 to rifle speed. After I sliced a crate of t21s and got 18 speed slices, I almost gave up completely on slicing.

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MisterCode wrote:

I really want to see the slicing statistics by item type. I don't doubt the randomness at all. But having sliced a dozen sets of composite armor I have seen a skewed pattern. Only once have I sliced a Helm for encumbrance. Only twice have I sliced a Chest place for encumbrance. Only once I have

Piece Enc Eff

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Helm 1 11

Chest 2 10

Gloves 11 1

Boots 4 8

R Bracer 6 6

L Bracer 7 5

R Arm 4 8

L Arm 5 7

Pants 2 10

So, random yes. Even, not hardly. I wouldn't be suprised if those pieces that would really benefit from a specific slice were somehow weighted to get the less beneficial slice.

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I think you're still looking at too slim of a sampling to make any statements. I purchased a comp helmet about a month ago, sliced it myself and got enc. Purchased another one later (was in a full armor set), took it to a master, he got a 41%enc. A few days before that, while i was still grinding up Slicing IV I sliced some girl's bone armor helmet (for free cuz i wanted to be nice.) 23% enc, which is fairly good for someone who's not even a slicer.

Now, based on this sampling, the only 3 helmets i've ever had any contact with (either owning or slicing myself) i have a 100% enc on helmets. Does that mean that the next helmet I slice will be enc?

Now, i'm not saying that there ISN'T some kind of weighting based on the piece of equipment being sliced. But until you're looking at samples of 100+ per weapon- or armor-TYPE, I don't think we should be making guesses. We'll see what Wayne's data gives us next week, and make our determinations from that.

Hey Wayne,

You said you imported your info to your program from a data file? What was the format? I'll start keeping my own and send it to you sometime and you can break it down. If we all did that, that would be a helluva lotta information to look at.

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IceMonkey05 wrote:
Hey Wayne,

You said you imported your info to your program from a data file? What was the format? I'll start keeping my own and send it to you sometime and you can break it down. If we all did that, that would be a helluva lotta information to look at.

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Awesome man, thanks. I'm gonna keep track of this. Check your PM's btw, i replied.