Smuggler Archive

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evetsleep wrote:

Wes....My alt is only 0444 BH and ever single mark is dropping core boosters, reactive plates, delicate triggers, and even some mandalorian intraframes.....its not master missions giving this stuff...even novice missions ALWAYS drop these now. As a smuggler for 2 years before making my jedi..I am honestly dissapointed with the devs that something like this was not given to the smugglers. When the new slicing system was put in many wanted missions to get the loot..and it was given to BH's...arrrgh..im annoyed now.

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Yeh, I've reported this inbalance in loot drops and the effect it's having/will have on the slicing part of the econemy (both while it was on TC and now that it's live and having it's effect). Had no word back on it though .

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Iawo wrote:

BH missions aren't the only way to get them, they are just the only RELIABLE way to get them. Meaning if you aren't a BH, you just MIGHT find an ICB in your lifetime.Don't BS me

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Lonelan wrote:

Thank you, I'm so glad someone brought up the WUK/AUK thing. They took what, 20-30 resources? Hell, lets say 40. So with grind-level resources thats 40c. 90c for the clamp. A whopping 16c for the knife. Slicing went from costing us 146c to...lets say 1 million credits, since thats what ICBs were initially. And how much were we charging? 100c a %? I think we understand economics just fine, thank you very much. Even at 1.5k for the lowest slice, we made 10x what we put in. I don't care if we can charge 200k more, the point is we have to pay more to get into it. And if it costs so much to slice, who is going to have it done? 1337 j3d1? BHs that get 25 mil+ from one mission? SOE has just completely killed any new player from getting into Smuggler as a first profession. The only way he's gonna make enough money to start is if some random player sees he's a smuggler and asks him to slice his stuff with all the components and gives him a big tip.

This game needs a ton more balance, and giving components we need to a profession that needs no help at all does not balance the game.

And BH long overdue for some attention? Yay, congrats you finally got it! Its easier to be a BH now! Yay! But guess what. I'm sure you heard of this before, but we've been promised a revamp for 2 years now. What do you think of when you think of Star Wars? Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight. Leia Organa, Master Dancer and Master Politician, and Han Solo, Smuggler. Sure, people might think of Fett. He's an awesome guy. Too bad he gets devastated by a Smuggler. On accident. While he's half blind. Smuggler IQ >>> BH IQ right there. And how long have Smugglers been waiting for attention? TWO FREAKIN' YEARS. So expect us to be pissed when they screw us over more and give you more content. And don't try and tell us 'oooh its your economy' or 'ooohhh you're not smart enough to understand how good this is' because it isn't. Fact remains that everyone but us gets a benefit. I wish SOE would do that smuggler revamp, and make slicing a completely smuggler only thing, that way we can charge exorbitant fees and screw everyone else the way they've screwed us.

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Lonelan wrote:

Slicing went from costing us 146c to...lets say 1 million credits, since thats what ICBs were initially. And how much were we charging? 100c a %? I think we understand economics just fine, thank you very much.

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Iawo wrote:

I have a few boxes of AUK's and WUK's left, but you get maybe 1 thing better than a simple toolkit per crate. Can you buy AUK's and WUK's anymore? Not unless you want to spend 250K+ for a CHANCE at some decent tools.

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Here's your clue: I could make tons of money standing in a starport before with my master smuggler tag on and a backpack of tools.

Now I don't make jack, because hardly anybody wants slices done because they can't afford the parts. If they have to buy that part from a BH for say... as much or MORE than what they payed for the weapon, what makes you think they'll want to play a smuggler anything decent to slice it?

This slicing system blows, just like the CU.

I think it's your attitude and your business acumen that blows.

Your lack of understanding that supply and demand means tool prices are coming down - which means more customers can afford them, which means more business for any smuggler that doesn't have his head up his arse.

I'm not having any problem making money on slices, nor was I before Publish 21. Maybe you need a better approach than just standing around with a backpack full of tools - lazy Smugglers get nowhere now.

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TashunkaSapa wrote:

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Iawo wrote:

I have a few boxes of AUK's and WUK's left, but you get maybe 1 thing better than a simple toolkit per crate. Can you buy AUK's and WUK's anymore? Not unless you want to spend 250K+ for a CHANCE at some decent tools.

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So the real issue is that you didn't PREPARE for the changes? It's not like it was a sudden thing - anyone who keeps up with the forums would have known it was coming with sufficient time to stock up.

I didn't have a problem doing so - so, what was wrong with you? How's it my fault, or the fault of Bounty Hunters that you didn't have the foresight to equip yourself with the materials you needed for your profession?

MAYBE you could ask your CUSTOMER to provide the materials they need for a slice - how many times do I have to tell you?

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Look you little FOTM moron, I took a break away from the game.When I left, they hadn't said anything about changing theslicing system. I heard about changes and I wanted to come back ans see if they've decided to give smugglers any love yet. Looks like just bent smugglers over even more while giving all the love to thier pet Jedi and Bounty Hunters, just like it was a year ago.

Take that Master Smuggler out of your sig, as you obviously aren't one. Go back to the pampered ones forums.

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TashunkaSapa wrote:

I think it's your attitude and your business acumen that blows.

Your lack of understanding that supply and demand means tool prices are coming down - which means more customers can afford them, which means more business for any smuggler that doesn't have his head up his arse.

I'm not having any problem making money on slices, nor was I before Publish 21. Maybe you need a better approach than just standing around with a backpack full of tools - lazy Smugglers get nowhere now.

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Slicing tool prices haven't budged on my server yet. Still 5+ mill for an ICB. Piss off and go back to being a BH you two faced punk.

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Iawo wrote:

Look you little FOTM moron, I took a break away from the game.

Take that Master Smuggler out of your sig, as you obviously aren't one.

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Sorry to disappoint you - I earned Master BH in April 2004, and Mastered the Triple Threatin August 2004, back when you were a NOVICE Smuggler. Feel free to take a moment to confirm it in my previous posts. See, back when I was a Master, you were still a noob - so step aside, because you haven't got the cred to judge me.

As for who's a "real" Smuggler? I'm still making money selling slices while you stomp and pout - and I've had a sufficient inventory of tools since the system changed.

Maybe you need another "time out" - in your special little chair in the corner. Or maybe a nap.

I'm glad that they found some way to put more of the tools we need in the game. I don't particularly agree with the method but any improvement is welcome. I would like it if they would focus on bug fixes and profession fixes that aren't jedi, as it has been for the last 10 patches or so. There are quite a few professions that are literally dying due to the multitude of bugs and breakage that have been introduced over the last 2 years, and of course there are others that are dying due to the complete and utter lack of improvement since the days of beta. Smuggler of course is one of these, as well as Ranger, Squad Leader, Commando, and several others. Of course all the crafting professions are getting worse with each passing day, not to mention the fact that the high end weapons are now "loot drops" as opposed to being crafted.

So yay for BH, now when's it going to be our turn?

Heh.