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Thread: As a BH id like to say...
Reyza wrote:
You get paid to take out marks, they drop new armor schematics which go 1-3mil a piece and you're looting the hottest weapon slice component arounnd not to mention other types of sweet loot like CA/AA. My problem is that it'sunbalanced right now how much coinyou cangenerate from your profession compared to smugglers. You have esentially become the middle-men now in the slicing business which cuts into a smugglers profit.
First of all, 31k for 20 minutes work is NOTHING, so the "you get paid to take out marks" is irrelevant.
Second, who's paying 1-3 million for a limited use schematic? Maybe the problem isn't the profession, it's the economy on your server.
As for being the slicing middle-men, that implies that you buy slicing components from others - and your complaint indicates that you pay too much to do so. That's just a foolish way to do business - if a customer wants a slice, make them provide the components. If they are unable to, offer the use of your own at a significant profit.
You aren't being hurt by any of this - you're just not thinking it through. Be a smarter smuggler, the only person cutting into your profit is you.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Thanks for the kind words, it's certainly not the BH Community I'm angry at, it's SOE, as always...
Making the profesion that's gotten the short end of the stick dependant on the one that's monopolized the most of the Devs time (aside from Jedi of course) is such a slap in the face it's not even funny. Personally, I'm one of the few folks that wears pre-CU BH Armor, I like the look and rarity of it. BH Missions giving schems for it now? Greeeaaat, means it can be made customizable, and that rocks, even if it takes the rarity and style away from those who dropped a load of cred and/or time into getting some before. I can live with that, it makes sense for BH's to be able to have access to it, it's cool armor, and Assault Armor can definately use a new-style...
But I was just told by a BH Friend of mine, that he looted an Illegal Core Booster from his NPC Mark. I was livid !!
I've run at least 100 sorties of Black Sun searching for IBC's, and found 4... another 2 from salvaging, and 1 given to me by a friend who ran some sorties for me. Now BH are going to get them easily and make Smugglers dependant on whatever they choose to sell them for, along with other Slicing Tools. They'll corner the market, as the likelyhood of them dropping is more than off the Black Sun in Space, that's for damn sure, and if you're not a Freelance Pilot Smuggler, you're completely buggered.
INEXCUSABLE !!
Once again, Smugglers have been shafted, jipped, and out-right bent over by the Developers. We ask for SMUGGLER MISSIONS to get our tools, it falls on deaf ears... BH's say NOTHING, and they get a goldmine... New Armor Schems, Smuggler Tools, and the new Weapon Upgrades.
I'm sure the BH Community is pleased about it, would be lying if I said I wouldn't be if I where among you... but I chose the path of the Smuggler instead, one of the 3 CORE profesions in the Star Wars Universe. Bounty Hunters, Smugglers, and Jedi are what make this game Star Wars, and at the rate SOE's going, Han Solo might as well have been a bit player, cause I'll tell ya, the rate they're going, there'll be no Smugglers left in another few months.
How can I be so sure? I've been a Master Smuggler since October of 03, and never, NEVER had any thoughts of changing for any reason, no matter how badly we've been ignored, stepped on, or ripped off. I've always strived to be damn good at what i do, no matter what obsticle SOE's put in front of us, including that BS "Smuggler Patch" they tried to pass off as what was promised.
But I guess so many of us have given up, we don't make as much noise as before, so they figure they can get away with it... Maybe they're right.
*sighs* Sorry to rant, I normally don't, as I know it does nothing... but this news is enough to make me lose my temper, and once again, no ill-will to the BH's in SWG, as this post shows you guys are gunnin for us too... thankfully not litterally though =)
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Reyza wrote:
You get paid to take out marks, they drop new armor schematics which go 1-3mil a piece and you're looting the hottest weapon slice component arounnd not to mention other types of sweet loot like CA/AA. My problem is that it'sunbalanced right now how much coinyou cangenerate from your profession compared to smugglers. You have esentially become the middle-men now in the slicing business which cuts into a smugglers profit.
First of all, 31k for 20 minutes work is NOTHING, so the "you get paid to take out marks" is irrelevant.
Second, who's paying 1-3 million for a limited use schematic? Maybe the problem isn't the profession, it's the economy on your server.
As for being the slicing middle-men, that implies that you buy slicing components from others - and your complaint indicates that you pay too much to do so. That's just a foolish way to do business - if a customer wants a slice, make them provide the components. If they are unable to, offer the use of your own at a significant profit.
You aren't being hurt by any of this - you're just not thinking it through. Be a smarter smuggler, the only person cutting into your profit is you.
First you need to check the Ahazi trade forums man, those BH schematics are going for 1-3mil a piece and they drop other types of loot. A person on my server looted a +11 melee accuracy CA and it sold 20mil. I think that makes my arguement-relevant-. Secondly, very few ppl have these ICBs b/c of the rareloot drops prior to pub21. How amI going to ask customers to provide ICBs if BHs are the only ppl who are looting them?
I've thought it through and imosmugglers are getting the shaft. You may be all yippy skippy cause your a BH and can loot your own parts but there are those who are not. Smugglers still can't smuggle and other professions are looting the high end slice components they need. When will smugglers get the hookup like the BH profession?
I thought they changed the nature of the BH missions so that the NPCs would show up white to everyone who doesn't (everyone but the BH) have the mission? I thought that was a changed a long time ago because people were griefing BHs like that.
Gee, I wish someone would stand up and try to make it so SOE can't grief us.
Dunno, I had a named mob with no organization in parentheses attack me the other day in Dearic. I started to kill him, then I thought maybe he was a BH mark so I backed off. Next time I won't.
You should go read this thread on the BH forum about the best loot that's been dropped so far.
/drool
Reyza wrote:
First you need to check the Ahazi trade forums man, those BH schematics are going for 1-3mil a piece and they drop other types of loot. A person on my server looted a +11 melee accuracy CA and it sold 20mil. I think that makes my arguement-relevant-.
Again, I will say: Maybe the problem isn't the profession, it's the economy on your server. If people are ABLE to pay 3 million per piece for assault armor with a different skin, your server was fooked up before Pub 21.
And just for the record, it doesn't look like too many are selling at those prices, even on your server.
If customers want a slice and don't have the component, you have two options:
1) Tell them to come back when they have the parts needed - I'd love an uber Krayt HLC but I don't expect every weaponsmith is going to have the tissues on hand for it. OR
2) Provide your own at a price that's profitable to you. If the customer's unwilling to pay that price, well then - no slice.
How much more simple can it be? I guess the problem is more a matter of smugglers that don't understand basic economics. That's rich.
You're funny man. We understand the economics just fine. Higher drop rates for ICB's will lower the prices for componenets in the longrun.However,I expectsmugglers who aren't buddy-buddy with BH's or who are low oncreditswillstill be at a disadvantage incomparison to being able to loot their own components for free.
Here's a little math for you too. 
BH > Smuggler
Message Edited by Reyza on 08-06-2005 02:47 AM
Maybe because BH IQ > Smuggler IQ.
Unless you're slicing your own gear, you're essentially not the one who's paying for the parts. The customer is. A smart smuggler passes the cost along to the customer - and if the customer is unprepared to pay, the slice doesn't happen.
If your customer can't find the component, what makes you think you'd have any better chance? Are you the sort who provides your customers with your own components out of the kindness of your heart? If so, that's your choice - but it's no one else's fault if this causes you difficulty.
If you're too "low on credits" to afford slicing components, maybe you aren't charging enough for your slices? Stop undercutting yourself and that problem will resolve on its own.
It's real simple, whether a component costs a thousand credits or a million, that's what you need to base your price on. Charging less than what the parts cost you is simply foolish.
I shouldn't have to tell anyone how to run their smuggling business, but then again if they didn't need the advice, they wouldn't be so "low on credits" that they're unable to get the tools they need. And if bounty hunters are so abundant, how hard can it be to make friends with one? Maybe some of the people I've seen in this forum (like FIGMO) would have trouble, but the ball's in your court, smugglers. Use those wily trading skills you pride yourselves on and stop expecting everything will be handed to you.
Lonelan wrote:
Our point is WE want to LOOT our own COMPONENTS.
NOT have to BUY them from anyone else.
They're not YOUR components unless you're slicing YOUR OWN equipment. Let the CUSTOMER loot his own components if he wants a slice. How many times am I going to have to say this before it sinks in?
Why do you feel you need these items for the benefit of someone else? You'd be much happier if you'd simply accept that you don't need to provide all the tools for every slice you do. Let the guy who wants the slice do the legwork, or allow him to pay you handsomely for your trouble.
You know, BH missions are not the exclusive means of getting these items, or I wouldn't need a small house, 2 bank vaults, 2 yachts and a vendor to store all this. I've only done 25 missions since yesterday - what in the hell do you think I was using to slice gear before that?