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Thread: Power-up Slicing BUG? or Working As Intended? SOE PLEASE RESPOND
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
We have yet to get a yes or no onthem as well. Don't expect one here. Don't take a CSR's word in about 80% of all situations. We've had plenty of problems with them.
I'll trust them to get me unstuck from a wall but they are not all knowledgeable. I would even hazard a guess that they have sometimes contradicted SOE policy on occasion by accident.
In your case Ailuu, The CSR probably didn't want to look back through the logs and the CSR probably didn't want to remove them from your inventory (even though he/she should have) because he/she didn't want you to lose the investment you put into them.
Caylin has informed you that it is an exploit and I'm pretty sure that the Smuggler Correspondent has a firmer grasp or the issues regarding smugglers than a CSR who has to cover the entire scope of the game.
Ailuu, you got a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card from a CSR. Smile, back away slowly, when you get around the corner, run like hell.
Or would you prefer that the next time you log on, those rifles being deleted from your inventory?
Message Edited by jbezorg on 08-06-2004 07:54 AM
Please continue to buy powerup sliced weapons, and even create a smuggler, so you can do it yourself & resell them.
Ha! That would count as dev work on Smugglers. Not gonna happen.
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
Get over yourself. Personaly If Caylin were to tell me that All smugglers were being Turnned Purple cause thats what SOE wants, I would believe him!
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
Get over yourself. Personaly If Caylin were to tell me that All smugglers were being Turnned Purple cause thats what SOE wants, I would believe him!
lisasdarren wrote:
Ailuu wrote:
Where is the advantage? Every smuggler can do this, so there is no advantage. A powerup is automatically removed when slicing starts, some smuggler found he could DO SOMETHING. Concluding that this is an exploit because if it was ok, it wouldn't have been removed in the first place is again, an opinion. One I don't disagree with, or agree with. Then again with the if I don't reach your obvious conclusion, I'm not too intelligent. Pulease play a different toon and quit taking offense because I'm not agreeing with your opinion.
There is an advantage, you get higher slices when doing this work around than when slicing as intended. Just because everyone can do an exploit doesn't stop it from being one.
A smuggler found a way to subvert the fact that the powerup was removed, they did something that was not a part of normal slicing mechanics and that allows them to achieve results that are unintended from slicing.
This is how slicing is intended to happen...
- Click on weapon to be sliced and choose slice from the radial (Any PUPS get removed from weapon)
- Apply a Molecular Clamp or FAN (optional)
- Cut wire 1
- Cut wire 2
Doing anything other than this to improve the quality of the slice is not part of the intended slicing process, therefore it is an exploit.
There is no opinion here, there is a combinationof things that determines that the action taken is an exploit
- The intended slicing process is a known and documented procedure
- The method known as PUP slicing is not part of this intended slicing process
- Doing something unintended to gain an advantage over doing it the intended way is an exploit
I am sure you can follow this logic trail and see the the facts presented here, if you refuse to then I am not accusing you of being less intelligent than me, but you are deliberatly avoiding the facts because you don't want to see them. I am not taking offence because you disagree with my opinion, i am not taking offence at all.
You are however deliberatly trying to avoid facts so that you don't have to admit that both you and the CSR you spoke to were wrong.
If your going to present logic to invalidate what I said, use what I said instead of changing the words. Logic based on a false equation is never going to equate to a valid answer. I have never at one time said any of your responsesare wrong, yet you keep running in here all upset that I don't accept your evidence as the answer I seek. Where if you actually read my initial postI simply seek a response to conflicting information from SOE. You trying to convince me that one side of the arguement is more valid than the other is pointless. Your opinion about the matter while enlightening me on the subject of the Smuggler Profession does not answer my question. You say I won't get a response. I think I will, eventually.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
Thochkored wrote:
With so much content in the game you have to learn or hear from other members I can understand your confusion. But if it sounds like an exploit and it feals like an exploit and Caylin says its an exploit, I am 100% sure it is an exploit. Ask for a clarification if you want, but don't shove it down our windpipes. We know about it and now more people know about it.So we get to deal with people requesting to do the PUp Slice and when the non-cheaters tell them it is an exploit we get lambasted and called a Noob by idiots in game.(if you don't believe it happens read the Chuckle for the Smuggler thread) Sorry if you feal under attack, but your question is posted, if a dev sees it and would like to reply, they have several options in doing so. Meanwhile enjoy your exploited riffles.
I'm not confused at all. I have clearly stated my position on the matter. Your defending of Caylin is admirable, but not needed. I have never disputed the information Caylin has. Iam however disputing that the information Caylin has, is any more valid than the information I have. If that upset anyone, thats unfortunate.I don't feel under attack, I am now merely responding to posts written by people who are trying to not only defend their opinions, but are trying to convince me that their opinions are more valid than my facts. And of course, your last sentence gets to the crux of your actual complaint. Had you actually read this thread, you would already know I don't give a womp rats ass about the rifles.
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Is the following an attack? Maybe, but its the logical conclusion I draw from this continued debate.
Fellow Smugglers, it doesn't really seem as if she's wanting SOE to verify whether or not this is an exploit. Rather, it seems to me that she's disguising the fact that she's trying to get the Smuggler community to say her rifles are okay so that she feels justified when using them.
Just my view on this.
Multi-slicing of any form, including power-up slicing is an exploit. Why? Read what has already been stated. It subverts the intended slicing method in the game's engine, and anything within the game that works other than how it was intended, is an exploit. Plain and simple. If you want to up your damage/speed further than a slice is capable of, then put powerups on afterwards. Its not that hard. Click, drag to the weapon, drop. WOW! You're done.
And before you decide to get agressive with me, I'll not be posting anymore on this topic, so it'll just be wasted time.
Why would I get agressive with you? Your entire post is based on false information and therefore anything I say would be meaningless as you have no idea what the discussion is about. The friggin rifles are in a backpack waiting fora response from SOE on this matter. Had you actually read the thread instead of attacking what you assumed it is about, perhaps we could have actually had a discussion.
but then there are FAR more important things to be doing for smugglers than posting a yes/ no answer. Perhaps there silence on the matter might mean something special in terms of slicing within the Smuggler revamp, perhaps allowing special components to be fitted to weapons and armour to enhance the slice ?
TomoRainer wrote:
Jesus CHRIST, if you really expect to get any kind of answer on this from an official who actually knows what they're talking about, have fun waiting for the Rapture too. In the eight years between now and when you get your response, there's no need to post more, as we all know you're looking for "official" word from on high, that the advice of our tireless and encyclopaedic correspondent (not to mention the consenting opinion of 98% of this forum) means nothing, and that the corroborating evidence of threads about this very subject being deleted is immaterial until we get an announcement from someone with a red name. The whole thing sounds like nothing more than a shallow attempt to justify your behavior when you get in trouble for it down the line--"You can't ban me, I asked for a ruling on this and none was given, so it wasn't illegal at the time, you don't have a leg to stand on." Come on now. We're smugglers, not lawyers.
Jesus CHRIST #2, is this forum starting to mirror our profession or what? The only time SOE employees show up is to delete something.
I'm not worried about the timeframe of the wait, I'm a patient kind of person. Again with the, our consenting opinion should be all the answer you need on the matter. WE HAVE SPOKEN! Sorry, not good enough. Your opinion is not more valid than my facts.
Opinion: A belief stronger than actual knowledge.
I understand your belief on the matter. I ain't saying your wrong. I am however saying, your opinions are not more valid than my facts. Again with the defense of Caylin, very admirable and as far as I can tell very well deserved. We have conflicting facts. Your willingness to pick one side of the conflict vs the other based on personal preferrence is your choice. It doesn't make it my decree. And than the FOTM, that would be "flavor of the morning" to you that are still on that first cup of coffee. The material end of all of this, can I use my rifles...Oooooo. Sod the rifles, come on over and destroy them all if it will make you feel better. I'll buy another crate and get them sliced with this is settled. I never asked you for a ruling. You are only defending what you think you thought i was looking for?