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Thread: Concerns about slicing.

dlc3007
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:38 am
#495

wow... you able to fit your whole, bloated ego into one character? impressive.



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Moonkat
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:55 am
#496

Maybe I could have used a better word than caved, but what is your problem? You don't even know me.



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AngusMacGregor
Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:56 am
#497

Don't mind him... he's grumpy today.




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dlc3007
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:05 am
#498

You're just making rash assumptions. I'm a CL 80 that didn't "cave in" to anything. I happen to enjoy the two main professions that I have. The implication that my character is poorly developed or only exists for PvP (I don't PvP) is uncalled for since you don't know me either.


Nevermind. I'm not really grouchy. I just think that it is unnecessary to assume that because you've chosen to stop at CL 56 that you're somehow more "pure" than anyone who didn't.


Sorry for the flame earlier.




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Jedi kiss their sisters -- repeatedly.



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JeffIncredible
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:02 am
#499

So basically slicing is going to be similar to weaponsmithing in a lot of ways. You can offer a base set of product/service but if you want the best of the best then you will need the rare components (tissue, bones etc..) How many weaponsmiths do you know that get those components themselves?


this works



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Moonkat
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:11 am
#500

I understand what you're saying. I didn't express what I meant very clearly. It wasn't about what other players choose to do so much as that the cycle is perpetuated when they develop things in the game to be difficult based purely on the difficulty to live or die to get access to it centered on a combat level of 80which leaves those of us who only have master smuggler screwed to get stuff that only applies to the profession itself - I'd actually be combat level 55 if I didn't have TK novice, that bumps me to 56. It isn't true to the nature of a smuggler to rely on others so much as the way they've made chef, tailor, doctor and combat medic rely upon bio-engineers, for instance.


They put in more things centered solely on kill or be killed when you're a level 80 Jedi, and so on. It was the same before the CU - it's just that now we have a number label for it. If you Want to be a full combat character, that's great, but there are a Lot of people who have given up on being what they would really like to be because the system substitutes brawn for brains even when it calls for wit rather than strength. That's not even getting into the issue that Jedi should be glass cannons instead of a supernatural uber tank.


Smuggler is so ripe for bucking this system by putting content into the implementation of the system rather than relying on it being hard to get because you usually die trying to get the objects you're after. Being a smuggler is about wits and charisma, not brute strength. I realize it takes more developer time and effort to put things in a meaningful way, but it's a lot more worthwhile in the long run because people will find it more appealing to keep playing when there is more Star Wars and more Han and Lando and even the EU and games smugglers to the game.


I hope this explains what I meant better.


I need just a little more caffeine



There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else. Sam Walton
noahTHEpurdy
Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:58 am
#501

Bump for the NEED of responce from GM.
dlc3007
Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:01 pm
#502

Yeah... slicing is totally busted now.


Tell ya what... as a favor to everyone who isn't going to bother slicing ever again b/c it is so broken, just send everyone who asks you about slicing to talk to me. I'll take it from there.





Imperial Col. Croda L'to

Jedi kiss their sisters -- repeatedly.



Zombie_Arsani wrote: Quiet jedi, grownups are talking.
Saarek
Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:03 pm
#503






dlc3007 wrote:

Yeah... slicing is totally busted now.


Tell ya what... as a favor to everyone who isn't going to bother slicing ever again b/c it is so broken, just send everyone who asks you about slicing to talk to me. I'll take it from there.








ROFL.


I'll take the Corbantis/Starsider inquiries.






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GanymedePharuu
Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:30 pm
#504



dlc3007 wrote:

Yeah... slicing is totally busted now.

Tell ya what... as a favor to everyone who isn't going to bother slicing ever again b/c it is so broken, just send everyone who asks you about slicing to talk to me. I'll take it from there.






well i never sliced for other people that often to begin with.
now when i do slice, it'll just be a disgruntled slice.



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SpinningCloud
Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:36 pm
#505

GM; "The breakage system was too harsh a penalty."


Yeah, too harsh for the rest of the player base. Plan B was to only make it hard on Smugglers.






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Juspar
Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:00 pm
#506






Saarek wrote:






dlc3007 wrote:

Yeah... slicing is totally busted now.


Tell ya what... as a favor to everyone who isn't going to bother slicing ever again b/c it is so broken, just send everyone who asks you about slicing to talk to me. I'll take it from there.








ROFL.


I'll take the Corbantis/Starsider inquiries.







And I'll take Bria!



I don't see this nerfing anything, and anyone complaining about slices being worthless since CU is missing the point. CU was necessary for balance, now they are trying to tweek the balance on a few things that got over corrected, don't whine because they are trying to fix it!


Lets grab that idea about stripping good parts from otherwise broken items and use it! We have hundreds of items that a junk dealer will buy, PLEASE make a smuggler (and even a weaponsmith/ armorsmith) able to extract a useable item for slicing out of a small and random percentage of these. Tougher mobs can have the high level armor and weapons on them (or in their bellies) that can be stripped for parts, but again make it random, not all loot turns up a useable part, and the loot doesn't all come from one source.


When we finally get to smuggle, these parts need to be able to be 'skimmed' off the merchandise.





Juspar - DELTA : Rebel Combat Medic/ Smuggler, Bria

After CU I stuck it out because my guild friends were still here, the good was good enough and the bad could be worked around.
With NGE:
  • My guildies hated it so much they quit
  • They nerfed my uniquness
  • They nerfed my ability to role play
  • They nerfed my strategic combat
  • They disregarded Star Wars canon
  • As a level 80 smuggler, I have out dueled every level and every profession. Only beated since NGE by a level 90 Bounty Hunter.
Ramsey_Lanclo
Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:20 pm
#507

Wow... No comments from a dev in this thread _or_ the focus thread.



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