Smuggler Archive

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darkjedidroid wrote:

as a bh and sorry for going on your site but i love this idea it brings excitement to the underworld life that smugglers and bh's shouldface.

like others mention this brings excitment to smugglers and alt bounties to bh's

look at this way ( if you can)

smuggler= drug tracifficer

bh= hitman

if the drug tracfficer gets busted and the drug lord want him ir her dead then the hitman comes.

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You should be here long enough to remember some of the thread and the reasons why some people didn't want it. If these things ever change, some around here might reconsider the idea.

But please people tell me, why is it that so many of you are afraid of the search button, are you afraid it might bite you?

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VitchCarnabe wrote:

Here is an idea, and a PVP tie in too. Have a craftable item that lets you choose the attribute about the weapon/armor to be sliced..... but and this is the good part..... the Imperial anti tampering device has a silent alarm. You have an certain percent chance reduceable by spice or by food that the alarm goes off. Same silent alarm is on all terminals that can be sliced as well. You could even do the "you successfully sliced x item but notice you triggered the alarm by acident." So you know it is coming. Triggering the alarm causes you to end up on BH boards. Oh, and give BH's a Death Blow so the can actually kill us. Wether it is a poison or just placing the scatter pistol on a smugglers forehead....... no chance of figning your head turned into a canoo. This is only used by BH's with a mission, BH gets the dart when he gets our Bio sig.

You dont want to deal with PVP, dont use the sure thing modular clamp. Or if a Smuggler happens to be a Weaponsmith/Armorsmith they get bonuses to slicing weapons/armor. Just a thought

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**edit** am i supposed to use the search button for? what are you wanting us to search for?

Message Edited by true_Kieran on 09-13-2004 05:12 PM

lol yeha, thanks.

Message Edited by eodem on 09-13-2004 11:28 AM

IMHO the rules governing a smuggler and his relationship to his employer as well as to the local law enforcement, etc. can be pretty well handled if you just think of it from a RP point of view. If we agree on a few saliant points then the current faction system and PvE/PvP system should be able to handle this with (maybe) only minor adjustments.

First some points:

In the Star Wars universe the Empire is the law enforcement agency. (Think FBI, NSA and CIA all in one). If they say it's illegal, it is illegal.

Contraband is, by definition, illegal. (Otherwise no one dare call it contraband, eh)

This could bring us to the first stop on our mental journey I think. If you get caught with contraband (scanned and caught) the least that should happen is you lose the item. I realize this make for good RP and poor user relations, but why shouldn't there be a penalty. Don't wanna lose the item, 2 choices: fight or run. If you fight you take a pretty big risk, I'd say. You would lose faction standing, you risk being killed and then stripped of the item(s), etc. Rough but hey, you chose to use an illegal item. But if you win the fight, you take that troopers ability to identify you away (assuming he was alone and didn't get any help). You go free. Or, for the more user friendly choice, you run. Stay gone for x amount of time and the trooper forgets what you look like (it could happen). You go free. 2 ways to lose, 2 ways to win.

Next up:
If a smuggler fails to complete the mission, the employer, most likely, won't give a rats a** why! (The may be exceptions to this. In the RP framework of the Star Wars universe it's usually assumed the rebellion would be more forgiving than, say, the Hutts).
So whats the punishment for failure. The answers to this given by GreenMarine are good, I think, for the most part. Faction hits for the employers up to the point that they will no longer give you jobs. These could be rectified like any other faction problems, and why shouldn't they be? After all, an employer that gives you a minimum risk job gives you minimum risk pay and minimum risk punishment. Of course, without good faction no employer would give you a high risk job anyway, right?

That being said, if you wanna play in the big leagues you gotta take the risk. Get your faction standing high and take the high paying jobs. That means high risk. You fail a high risk mission you gotta pay. This could actually be handled in 2 ways I think. Failing the mission would mean, basically, not delivering the goods in the allotted time frame. So the employer knows when the mission fails just by the fact that his customer calls and says "Hey, where's my crap!?". So this leads to (resolution 1) The employer contacts the smuggler and says "Give me my stuff back (costing steep faction hits) and some cash for my expenses and time wasted (to negate the faction hit) or (resolution 2)I release the hounds." At this point you get a bounty on your head. No more questions. No more chances to make it right. This starts with a large faction hit until you are caught, then the faction hit drops back down by maybe 80% (Why, you ask? Well, I assume the game AI is more likely to ambush you faster with faction friendlies of the employer if you have a high negative faction, giving the feeling you are a hunted man/woman, until you are caught, after which the faction hit is just a 'badwill' hit). To me this seems fair.

The next thing that comes up is players that don't want PvP on their hands. Welp, really, what does it matter if it's an NPC BH or a PC BH? If an employer spends the cash and effort to contact, contract and pay a bounty hunter they aren't going to hire a wuss! So in the end your just as caught, PC or NPC. Also, the penalty doesn't have to be death. The BH just incapacitates the smuggler the best way it can and takes all the cash he/she has on as well as all the contraband. That way the penalty is the same for being caught by a PC and NPC BH. Wanna get really tough? After the second or third failure take the PCs weapons , next time his armor as well. That's pretty harsh, but still reasonable from an RP standpoint. The employer could always make the smuggler "known" to the empire as well, lowering faction there. (Those types of employers always have good information networks, inside and outside the law).

I know the PvP thing bothers a lot of people, but really, I'd rather have a fallible human looking for me than the AI that, actually, always knows exactly where you are...


Finally, make sliced gear by higher level smugglers harder to spot. Put in a 'Scan failure' chance based on the level of the smuggler that sliced it. The drugs are a different idea but still doable in the confines of the existing game code. Create a box that can act as a container (that requires that it be sliced) and give it the 'Scan failure' chance as well. Low level slice is better than none, but high level is best. Even better, make the gear 'reslicable' (is that a word?) for x number of times, but only by a higher level smuggler than the last. The slices after the first do not raise or lower the stats, only the 'scan failure' rating. Successful reslice means it gets harder to spot, failure uses up one of the attempts but doesn't make it any easier to spot with a scan.
If that last part is handled well I don't think it will hurt the value of the gear at all. Might make it better, even.

Thats just my $0.02 worth.
H2Z


P.S. Dev team, remember, you will NEVER be able to please everyone. Don't try. Pick a good middle ground on those stick issues. Or hell, put your foot down. If you get up against a brick wall, let George make the call, or just have him call me. I'll set him straight...)

my $0.02 is that yes. you are correct. that would be hella fun for both parties.