Smuggler Archive

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Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

Speaking of him...

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/view_profile?user.id=58312

Check his date last visited... and that's all I can say right now...

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GreenMarine wrote:

See this link for part 1:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=96114

Part 1 reached over 1200 posts in less than a week. Clearly the smuggler & bounty hunter professions care deeply about the design of any kind of smuggling system. I'm really happy with the level of response. A lot of people who don't normally post are chiming in with their opinion and, in general, the discussion has been civil.

I want to try and distill the discussion down and start to find solutions. Here were the three big issues that turned into long discussions.

Summary 1: The key argument was over the impact of "visibility" punishments for ripping off suppliers or failing smuggling missions. There is a portion of the player base that desires PvP and a portion that does not. The main issue is the possibility of "involuntary PvP" or a player gaining a bounty who wants to be a smuggler but not participate in PvP.

Solution: The solution I like most is to have the mission suppliers offer two types of mission for each skill level. The punishments for failing or cheating a mission then become:

• Normal Mission: You lose NPC faction with that supplier. You lose a small amount of GCW faction if the supplier belongs toa faction. You could possibly be ambushed by thugs from that supplier.


• CriticalMission: Harsher versions of the above + you gain visibility.

The rewards for critical missions would be somewhat higher than normal missions. Also, some types of illegal cargo would only be available via critical missions. The RISK is possible PvP as well as other penalties. The REWARD is rare components (if you cheat the supplier) or better cash.

What about normal players scanned with illegal items? For now, it seems reasonable that we don't add visibility for normal players. That's too much to ask of the player base as a whole. Later, we could possibly add a level of illegality above Highly Illegal (say, Military Class) that gains visibility. It seems wise to leave this area open for future discuss, but not include it in a revamp.

Summary 2: The second major issue revolved around the punishments for being caught with contraband:

1. Some players feel that dying isn't enough of a punishment.


2. Some players recommended a faction hit.


3. Some players feel that storm troopers are too weak.


4. Players don't like that only storm troopers scan.

Solution: The solution obviously has several parts. We need to discuss more what the punishments should be. There are a few types of punishment that we can draw from:

• Loss of GCW faction.


• Loss of NPC faction.


• Combat & risk of death.


• Confiscation of the illegal goods.

One possibility might be to make it so that the scanning NPC isn't the NPC that attacks. Instead he "calls for backup" and the backup is relative to the player's level. This brings up the possibility of a group of players using a low level smuggler to spawn lower level faction targets. Thesolution to stopping faction farming of scan spawned NPCs is to prevent them from giving GCW faction. There are many other legitimate ways to gain faction. Even if it seems inconsistant, it does make somesense that the Rebels aren't necessarily going to reward a player for killing troopers just doing their job.

This also means that high level smugglers would be dealing with security forces tougher than your average Stormtrooper.

It seems that we should make more factions other than Imperial scan. Why can't the Rebels scan in a Rebel controlled territory? They aren't going to like spice abuse much either. Rebel commanders could then have some immunity from scans in their home regions. Naboo's Royal Security Force (a neutral faction) might also scan and have their own forces to deal with violators.

Summary 3: The third major issue was that smugglers are worried that increased punishments for using illegal items, like spices and sliced gear, will cause a depression in their markets.

Solution: Actually, I disagree with this premise. I don't think there will be a market depression. On the contrary, if I do my job right, there will be a market increase. If spices become reasonably competitive with chef food, or complement chef food in some way, more players will buy them. Similarly, we should be able to modify slicing but also retain its value.

This is an issue I need to think about more before I develop a complete opinion.

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At this point, we know the arguments from every side in the debate. There have been enough posts for us to understand the views involved. In this thread, let's talk about possible solutions and compromises. Instead of perpetuating the debate on PvP vs. PvE, look for ways that the two views can be reconciled. This is the next key in effective game design for massively multiplayer games.

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There's a quote about the original design of Galaxies that says it was too much like living the life of Uncle Owen and not enough like the life of Luke or Han Solo.

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Beliblisrevenge wrote:
what about

-crafting a smuggle bag ( with % of protect for scanning ) for master smuggler
or change underworld tree (1.skillbox 25% protect bag and so on)
only 2 charges , the same for ships then craftable

-increase the scannings for non smuggler ( for what we have over 90% protect ?)and punish more powerful(who has fear from the empire ?)

-scliceable ship parts ( JtL )

-experimentation on spice crafting

-make delayshot like before nerf ( maybe with 5 secs than 10 sec )

-special smuggel missions with bounty if you failed

-faction smuggle missions ( jabba , lady valarian or so)

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There's a quote about the original design of Galaxies that says it was too much like living the life of Uncle Owen and not enough like the life of Luke or Han Solo.

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majorslappy wrote:

Malagg,

How about instead of you just getting your DE-10 confiscated, you are given a mission to retrieve it using your smuggling skills?

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Beliblisrevenge wrote:
what about

-crafting a smuggle bag ( with % of protect for scanning ) for master smuggler
or change underworld tree (1.skillbox 25% protect bag and so on)
only 2 charges , the same for ships then craftable

*snipped the rest*

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I like this...In fact, there was a bug (may still be there!)where you could slice backpacks whichgave me an idea:

Smugglers could slicebackpacks (not craft them though) for effectiveness using the standard range for effectivenesslike smugglers get on armor. A 35% effective slice gives you a 35% bonus on your roll toevade ascan? A 45% encumbrance slice opens up 4 more spaces!

I wonder how much the FS skill box luck will help avoid scans? Between one and four percent? Higher? Will Persuasion lower your fine or give you another chance to get out of hot water all together?

JWalker Black

Message Edited by snuggler on 08-16-2004 07:33 PM