Smuggler Archive

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TarynGuinn wrote:

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Jandel-Har wrote:

Heres my two credits worth. This is still a great forum and community ,but almost every possible smuggler idea good and not so good has been hashed and rehashed and rerehashed. The dead horse has been beat and beat again and the dead horse is now a fine glue. All I've ever wanted to be in this game is a smuggler, been a master now for over a year , wear my title with pride. But until we actually get some changes, Im guessing the mood around here will be a little on the cynical side. So there ya go , submitted for your aproval.One star me if you like.

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This is a great community, and while i've not been a part of it as long as most regulars here, my toon wasn't born yesterday either. I too would like to actually do some smuggling, but thats not happening, nor does it look like its gonna happen anytime soon. its screwed up, yes. the game has its bugs, yes. cynicism is understandable, but out and out volatile outbursts? we're all here for the same reason, or we wouldn't be here... why lash out at each other? what good is that gonna do anyone?

Message Edited by TarynGuinn on 12-29-2004 10:46 AM

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yimaz wrote:

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TarynGuinn wrote:

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Jandel-Har wrote:

Heres my two credits worth. This is still a great forum and community ,but almost every possible smuggler idea good and not so good has been hashed and rehashed and rerehashed. The dead horse has been beat and beat again and the dead horse is now a fine glue. All I've ever wanted to be in this game is a smuggler, been a master now for over a year , wear my title with pride. But until we actually get some changes, Im guessing the mood around here will be a little on the cynical side. So there ya go , submitted for your aproval.One star me if you like.

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This is a great community, and while i've not been a part of it as long as most regulars here, my toon wasn't born yesterday either. I too would like to actually do some smuggling, but thats not happening, nor does it look like its gonna happen anytime soon. its screwed up, yes. the game has its bugs, yes. cynicism is understandable, but out and out volatile outbursts? we're all here for the same reason, or we wouldn't be here... why lash out at each other? what good is that gonna do anyone?

Message Edited by TarynGuinn on 12-29-2004 10:46 AM

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I hope this game is around for many years. It needs a great deal of work and we need some love badly, with that said I will wait for a re-vamp and other game fixs passing the time with my friends and guild mates.

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korvass wrote:

I've been smuggling since end of last year. Can I whine?

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TomoRainer wrote:
Yes, but so long as they don't turn into total moanfests, which this so far hasn't been, threads like this also have the potential to get people to think, regroup, and maybe even act to get things back on the right track. If there's any forum likely to be able to accomplish that, it's this one. At any rate, I'd rather see some discussion of what's going on than that we let things fester.

While I think your basic point is probably right--at least, that the grizzled vets share some of the blame--I do have a problem with the wording of it. All this talk of choice, of donning garbs, as if our stance towards the devs weren't heavily influenced by the way our profession's been treated, or that we're even wearing false cloaks--I don't believe it. I don't believe we have ultimate control over our reaction to the cycle of abuse and neglect, nor that if we did it would be right to ignore it, or to try to channel it all into a wellspring of positivity. It would be, at best, an incomplete response. One that ignores our right and duty to be angry about the way we've been treated. One that, I think, would limit the creativity that can come out of well-placed anger.

Those emotions do need to be checked by patience, though, and by remembering that we're all in the same place, which is something the older smugglers tend to have developed in spades. It'd be more than a little difficult to stick with this profession so long if they hadn't.

I don't know. Maybe this isn't as widespread as I think it is, but for me, the major problem is I'm just tired. I love the profession, I love the community, etc. etc., I try to make sure my posts are either funny or contributing to the discussion, but my enthusiasm for it all's gotten a little low. A lot low, really. And other than taking a break, I'm not sure how to get it back. I know this is affecting my interaction here--I'm posting less, and when I do, I'm not always sure I'm getting everything I mean into what I'm saying. If that sentiment's going around at all, it's got to be getting into the forum as a whole. It's like a big old ball of smuggler ennui.

I do know, though, that I don't feel one ounce of coldness or cynicism towards my fellow smugglers. By now we all know that being a full-blooded smuggler isn't about slicing and playing dead. Part of it's about doing our best to see the profession turn into what it can and should be. But most of it's about this community, what it's gone through and how it's hung together, and by and large I don't think the old-timers have ever lost sight of that. Watch their reactions to posts by new smugglers, to constructive ideas by people of and affected by the profession, to threads that don't have a single thing to do with smuggling but would get flamed right off any other forum. They're still all there. But something's not right, and unless we dig into discussions like this, I highly doubt it'll fix itself.

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Geevo wrote:

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korvass wrote:

I've been smuggling since end of last year. Can I whine?

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I've been Smuggling since day 2 ... no you can't

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Geevo you have been Smuggling since day 2? Share the secret so the rest of us can Smuggle too .

I will agree though that I have wanted nothing more than to be a Smuggler since I first heard they were making this game. I have been a smuggler since like week 2 when I mastered. But I want to be a Smuggler dang it.

BTW Geevo can I whine and complain since I rarely post on anything anyway? Or is there a rule against us quiet rebel wookie Smugglers speaking?

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Geevo wrote:

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korvass wrote:

I've been smuggling since end of last year. Can I whine?

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I've been Smuggling since day 2 ... no you can't

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TomoRainer wrote: Yes, but so long as they don't turn into total moanfests, which this so far hasn't been, threads like this also have the potential to get people to think, regroup, and maybe even act to get things back on the right track. If there's any forum likely to be able to accomplish that, it's this one. At any rate, I'd rather see some discussion of what's going on than that we let things fester.

While I think your basic point is probably right--at least, that the grizzled vets share some of the blame--I do have a problem with the wording of it. All this talk of choice, of donning garbs, as if our stance towards the devs weren't heavily influenced by the way our profession's been treated, or that we're even wearing false cloaks--I don't believe it. I don't believe we have ultimate control over our reaction to the cycle of abuse and neglect, nor that if we did it would be right to ignore it, or to try to channel it all into a wellspring of positivity. It would be, at best, an incomplete response. One that ignores our right and duty to be angry about the way we've been treated. One that, I think, would limit the creativity that can come out of well-placed anger.

Those emotions do need to be checked by patience, though, and by remembering that we're all in the same place, which is something the older smugglers tend to have developed in spades. It'd be more than a little difficult to stick with this profession so long if they hadn't.

I don't know. Maybe this isn't as widespread as I think it is, but for me, the major problem is I'm just tired. I love the profession, I love the community, etc. etc., I try to make sure my posts are either funny or contributing to the discussion, but my enthusiasm for it all's gotten a little low. A lot low, really. And other than taking a break, I'm not sure how to get it back. I know this is affecting my interaction here--I'm posting less, and when I do, I'm not always sure I'm getting everything I mean into what I'm saying. If that sentiment's going around at all, it's got to be getting into the forum as a whole. It's like a big old ball of smuggler ennui.

I do know, though, that I don't feel one ounce of coldness or cynicism towards my fellow smugglers. By now we all know that being a full-blooded smuggler isn't about slicing and playing dead. Part of it's about doing our best to see the profession turn into what it can and should be. But most of it's about this community, what it's gone through and how it's hung together, and by and large I don't think the old-timers have ever lost sight of that. Watch their reactions to posts by new smugglers, to constructive ideas by people of and affected by the profession, to threads that don't have a single thing to do with smuggling but would get flamed right off any other forum. They're still all there. But something's not right, and unless we dig into discussions like this, I highly doubt it'll fix itself.

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Excellent post.

Lilac Moon

Message Edited by LM on 12-30-2004 10:25 AM

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Chewnada wrote:

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Geevo wrote:

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korvass wrote:

I've been smuggling since end of last year. Can I whine?

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I've been Smuggling since day 2 ... no you can't

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Geevo you have been Smuggling since day 2? Share the secret so the rest of us can Smuggle too .

I will agree though that I have wanted nothing more than to be a Smuggler since I first heard they were making this game. I have been a smuggler since like week 2 when I mastered. But I want to be a Smuggler dang it.

BTW Geevo can I whine and complain since I rarely post on anything anyway? Or is there a rule against us quiet rebel wookie Smugglers speaking?

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