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Thread: Ranger gets Smuggler Update
novakaine wrote:
Let me break it down so it is clear. Han Solo is THE iconic smuggler that most of us relate to when we think of Star Wars and smugglers. Now what did Han do? He didn't stand on the corner slinging drugs nor did he pick pockets, snatch purses or hide in shadows to become invisible. What he did do was smuggle, fly a damn fine ship, and associate with crime lords and scoundrels. Just because he was pursuing illegal profits does not mean he was a thief any more than he was a bookie, mugger, or counterfeiter. I think you will find that the majority of veteran smugglers were never hoping to be thieves, but really just wanted to be smugglers.Message Edited by novakaine on 09-17-2005 04:27 PM
Think maybe you should read the Han Solo trilogy before making a statement Han didn't do any of that. The ONLY thing he didn't do was deal in slaves. And before anyone says "that isn't canon" I will say this......SWG is barely canon itself and the trilogy is the EU.
DiamondJoeQuimby wrote:
What! Ranger gets urban stealth and stealing? What the heck is so outdoorsy ranger is that? And isn't that what Smuggler has been asking for since launch?
Forget D+D Rangers, This is Star Wars, and in the Star Wars universe Rangers do exist. Not as woodsman types but as elite, deadly, clandestine, special forces. These include the Antarian Rangers, the Imperial Sector Rangers and many more.
At the risk of annoying the smuggler community, at least smuggler has had SOME improvement since launch. Ranger has had NOTHING except the continual degradation of our skills since launch:
- Camo? give that to everyone.
- Traps? Only the scout ones work and then only on creatures.
- Camps? When was the last time you needed to heal up, or pull out a vehicle/droid in the wild in one of these?
- Tracking? Well go find your own Tatooine quest NPCs now. Dont get a ranger to do it for you!
And you should read the devs posts on the subject before getting annoyed. We are not pickpockets! We are covert operatives! The devs have stated that the stealing stuff skills are part of NEW quests and content! Who do you think will also be involved in this? Who do you think is best suited to the movement of contraband? You are! The consensus is this is the start of the implementation of a smuggler set of missions. Think of the Ranger sneaking in somewhere dangerous and stealing the plans for the Empires new superweapon. Then a smuggler will have to get it to its destination, or something like that.
Ranger has now finally become a Star Wars Ranger and not a novice profession+ which costs more than any other profession.
I for one am cleaning of my tuxedo, polishing my jetpack and, checking the ejector seat in my AV-21.
LastEE wrote:
Mentski wrote:
Solution:
Rangers get the cert to make and use holo projectors at master.
Smugglers get the cert to use it at master too.
Much like the way Smugs and Bounty Hunters can both use bomb droids....
Nice? lovely? Great. Sorted.
Message Edited by Mentski on 09-17-2005 02:52 PM
This would certainly be within the realm of possibilities, IMHO. Whether it's overpowering or not is the main question. I think Rangers are staying as an enhancement profession for your other skills much like envisioned for commando... so you could combine it with Commando, BH, Smuggler, Rifleman, etc just like as commando alone you have NO specials, but some cool weapons to use with specials from other skillsets.
I prefer to look at it as any other profession is an enhancement to Ranger. After all, some Antarian Rangers where Teras Kasi experts, some were snipers, they were all Rangers.
Let me make something clear to you Nova. I dont give a rats a$$ about Solo. I pay a lot of $ per month to play this game. If you want to be a glorified merchant... be my guest. As for me ... I want to ...........
Sit in a corner slinging drugs, picking pockets, snatching purses, and also mug customers after they leave the cantina. I want fly a fine ship, associate with crime lords and scoundrels.... androb them blind 
I think you will find that the vast majority of vet smugglers would rather have fun than worry about what Han Solo would do. But thats just my humble opinion.
Message Edited by Aquadious on 09-18-2005 06:28 PM
Aquadious wrote:
Let me make something clear to you Nova. I dont give a rats a$$ about Solo. I pay a lot of $ per month to play this game. If you want to be a glorified merchant... be my guest. As for me ... I want to ...........
Sit in a corner slinging drugs, picking pockets, snatching purses, and also mug customers after they leave the cantina. I want fly a fine ship, associate with crime lords and scoundrels.... androb them blind
I think you will find that the vast majority of vet smugglers would rather have fun than worry about what Han Solo would do. But thats just my humble opinion.
Message Edited by Aquadious on 09-18-2005 06:28 PM
Whats your prob? You pay just as mauch as everyone else so I dont see your point. my point IS I dont want to sell drugs, be a slice monkey, a faction broker or be a thief . I want to smuggle.
And I think YOU will find the vast majority of smugglers have wanted that since launch.
novakaine wrote:
Thieves steal, smugglers smuggle.
And Rangers steal/plant bombs?
Sorry but their revamp, while needed, is a little odd. They should at least rename it to Spy or something. They aren't Ranger's now in any sense of the word.
Rangers should be the ultimate bad-ass fringers. They are for exploring the galaxy, and being on the frontiers of civilisation. They should be prospecting, not pick pocketing.
I think the revamp shows a suprising lack of imagination on the community's part, if it is indeed their idea. I guess as long as they are happy though, that's the main thing. They are now a theiving, bounty-hunting commando. Hmmm.
Olsson wrote:
US Army Rangers are Commandos. By redefining the class/proffesion to that a specific military unit, they've kicked commandos in the teeth again.
So what if US army rangers are called commandos? The SWG Profession is a HEAVY WEAPONS class, not a light infantry unit. You would think the HEAVY WEAPONS they carry would give it away wouldnt you?
coldreboot wrote:
novakaine wrote:
Thieves steal, smugglers smuggle.
And Rangers steal/plant bombs?
Sorry but their revamp, while needed, is a little odd. They should at least rename it to Spy or something. They aren't Ranger's now in any sense of the word.
Rangers should be the ultimate bad-ass fringers. They are for exploring the galaxy, and being on the frontiers of civilisation. They should be prospecting, not pick pocketing.
I think the revamp shows a suprising lack of imagination on the community's part, if it is indeed their idea. I guess as long as they are happy though, that's the main thing. They are now a theiving, bounty-hunting commando. Hmmm.
SPACE, GCW, PvP, PvE, DWB runs 
Well if thats what they are in the Star Wars universe, then I have no complaint. I just got the impression from the actual Ranger forum, that they wanted to be the 'outdoorsmen' style Ranger.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
coldreboot wrote:
novakaine wrote:
Thieves steal, smugglers smuggle.
And Rangers steal/plant bombs?
Sorry but their revamp, while needed, is a little odd. They should at least rename it to Spy or something. They aren't Ranger's now in any sense of the word.
Rangers should be the ultimate bad-ass fringers. They are for exploring the galaxy, and being on the frontiers of civilisation. They should be prospecting, not pick pocketing.
I think the revamp shows a suprising lack of imagination on the community's part, if it is indeed their idea. I guess as long as they are happy though, that's the main thing. They are now a theiving, bounty-hunting commando. Hmmm.
I am afraid you are completely wrong here. And showing a lack of knowledge of the Star Wars universe. In the Star Wars universe, RANGERS, are paramilitary special operations light troops, who are expert in infiltration, stealth, combat and information retreival. Think SAS here.
The Ranger communtiy has asked for SWG rangers to be STAR WARS rangers since launch and now we finally have it. Yes, we do havea lack of imagination, but thats because rangers in the star wars universe have already been fleshed out.
Plus, I wouldnt complain about the "stealing" if I were you!
The devs have stated that it is the testing (as Jedi Riflemen tested stealth rules) of an new set of PvP missions. Who do you think will be carrying the retreivable contraband? SMUGGLERS! Thats what they heavily hint at. But, by all means removerangers ability to "steal". give it to smugglers, and never implement proper smuggling for smugglers.
coldreboot wrote:
Well if thats what they are in the Star Wars universe, then I have no complaint. I just got the impression from the actual Ranger forum, that they wanted to be the 'outdoorsmen' style Ranger.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
coldreboot wrote:
novakaine wrote:
Thieves steal, smugglers smuggle.
And Rangers steal/plant bombs?
Sorry but their revamp, while needed, is a little odd. They should at least rename it to Spy or something. They aren't Ranger's now in any sense of the word.
Rangers should be the ultimate bad-ass fringers. They are for exploring the galaxy, and being on the frontiers of civilisation. They should be prospecting, not pick pocketing.
I think the revamp shows a suprising lack of imagination on the community's part, if it is indeed their idea. I guess as long as they are happy though, that's the main thing. They are now a theiving, bounty-hunting commando. Hmmm.
I am afraid you are completely wrong here. And showing a lack of knowledge of the Star Wars universe. In the Star Wars universe, RANGERS, are paramilitary special operations light troops, who are expert in infiltration, stealth, combat and information retreival. Think SAS here.
The Ranger communtiy has asked for SWG rangers to be STAR WARS rangers since launch and now we finally have it. Yes, we do havea lack of imagination, but thats because rangers in the star wars universe have already been fleshed out.
Plus, I wouldnt complain about the "stealing" if I were you!
The devs have stated that it is the testing (as Jedi Riflemen tested stealth rules) of an new set of PvP missions. Who do you think will be carrying the retreivable contraband? SMUGGLERS! Thats what they heavily hint at. But, by all means removerangers ability to "steal". give it to smugglers, and never implement proper smuggling for smugglers.
They still can be the outdoorsman, most of that stuff is getting pushed into scout so they just need to keep master scout instead of going for the reduced pre-reqs... but this new vision makes more sense in a high tech setting
If thats what Star Wars Rangers are, what the hell is left for Commandos?
BIG GUNS!! (that get you swarmed and killed if you try to use them ever.... or maybe thats just my experience...))