Smuggler Archive
Thread: Ranger gets Smuggler Update
AtomicFB
Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:33 am
#14
lol, Around the same time here. Ok that makes a little more sense. However, they might want to fix the GCW first. Who is gonna care about bases or stolen info when most pvp and GCW stuff happens in front of starports?
Wretrut
Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:40 am
#15
it will always come back the old ones though.
What does our Master Smuggler title mean?
I though ta master of....wait for it.......... smuggling?
the lower tiers with rogue/slicer titles etc fine, give us missions relating to that.
I became a smuggler 18 months ago to do a Han Solo. Get the ship ,fly past the imp blockades and help myself to a healthy profit.Dealing with Jabba, screwing him over, hidingout from BH's looking for my smuggler ass. Hanging out in cantinas looking for work, being approached on the side by high placed rebels/imps to smuggle parts,weapons AND people to places all over, whilst being tracked by BH's and mercs.
i dont like spending my time crafting spices:/
Linking with other profs is fine, the old pistoleer link up was good. Bit of Ranger to help with the scouting out of places we have to smuggle gear out of is a great way forward. Maybe,maybe a chance to have a wee partner, like Han and Chewie. never know.
Or commando, get to bomb is first then run in? so many possiblities but firstly i think the base core of Smuggler should be changed to make us actually SMUGGLE..not too much to ask is it?
Man, i should be a Dev. that would be a great revamp.
/climboffsoapbox3
What does our Master Smuggler title mean?
I though ta master of....wait for it.......... smuggling?
the lower tiers with rogue/slicer titles etc fine, give us missions relating to that.
I became a smuggler 18 months ago to do a Han Solo. Get the ship ,fly past the imp blockades and help myself to a healthy profit.Dealing with Jabba, screwing him over, hidingout from BH's looking for my smuggler ass. Hanging out in cantinas looking for work, being approached on the side by high placed rebels/imps to smuggle parts,weapons AND people to places all over, whilst being tracked by BH's and mercs.
i dont like spending my time crafting spices:/
Linking with other profs is fine, the old pistoleer link up was good. Bit of Ranger to help with the scouting out of places we have to smuggle gear out of is a great way forward. Maybe,maybe a chance to have a wee partner, like Han and Chewie. never know.
Or commando, get to bomb is first then run in? so many possiblities but firstly i think the base core of Smuggler should be changed to make us actually SMUGGLE..not too much to ask is it?
Man, i should be a Dev. that would be a great revamp.
/climboffsoapbox3
KloudRunner
Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:02 am
#16
We are not thieves we are SMUGGLERS.
had to get that out of the way.
I for one congratulate the Rangers on getting some love. The changes sound cool and if implimented correctly would greatly enhance the game in general. Imagine if you will the following (and this might take a year but imagine non the less).
A Ranger is assigned a mission from his rebel commander to infiltrate an enemy base. Off he goes and sneaks his way in to steal maps and plans for the area. He succeeds in his mission but the maps and plans need to be taken to Dantooine and he is currently on Tatooine. So he goes and finds a nuetral or rebel smuggler to help him get the plans to rebel hq. In the cantina he recruits a smuggler to his group, shortly after they come under attack from an imperial patrol. Running through the streets dodging imps and combining skills (Rogue uses sneak, Smuggler hopefuly using his underworld contacts) they make it to the starport. They launch into orbit (taking into account that the mission prevents instant travel) abaord the smugglers cargo ship and are soon confronted by another Imperial patrol. The Smuggler risks it and sends out an imperial iff signal, luckily it works and the imps let them pass through the tatooine system. They jump to the dantooine system. Where they are confronted by another imp patrol. The Smuggler trys to use the iff signal again but this time it fails,he trys smooth talking his way out of the situation but that to fails. The Imps open fire. The Ranger then rushes to the turrets and a space confrontation ensues. Victorious the ship lands at a pirate starport (MO or somewhere). The Smuggler having fulfilled his contract of getting the Ranger to Dantooine is paid his share from the mission reward. The Ranger then heads cross country to a hidden Rebel base where he then delivers the plans and maps etc. He is paid and possibly recieves a promotion for his bravery.
And it could continue
The maps reveal imp bases on Tatooine. A Squad Leader could spend s small FP cost or simply get the choice in the conversation box's to plan an attack on tatooine. Choosing a base from the planetery map view he can gather a small amount of info in regards to its defences. Accepting the mission he then heads out to recruit a sqaud (or maybe he already has one).
etc etc
you can see how it goes. I think its important for SWG to go forward as an MMO and stop relying upon the age old grind grind grind heres a quest grind grind grind mentality and instead start utilising proffesions to help each other out. Have skills that can help other proffesions in there "end game". Have crafters manufacture weapons and armour for the GCW. If theres a blockade get a smuggler to get it to where its going, liekwise for dr's amd medics with med kits. Have SL lead groups into battle to take control of bases and planets. Have commandos run missions to destroy suply lines or heavy fortified bases.
My point is you might not agree with the Ranger skills and call them smuggler skills but smugglers arnt thieves. Han did some of that but because he got drawn into it. If he had his way he would be delivering spice still. He came into an exceptional circumstance that the majority of smugglers would not. All i ask is that we can do what our proffession title suggests and all proffesion titles suggest.
Smugglers Smuggler
Squad Leaders, Lead Squads
Rangers...errr...Range (but you know what i mean)
Entertainers, Entertain
Bounty Hunters, Bounty Hunt lol
you get the idea 
SOE need to stop adding needles expansions and instead concentrate on tidying up the game. Fix the major bugs while taking time to fix the proffesions that need fixing. I have hope that Smugglers will one day smuggle. They have done something for squad leaders they are doing something for rangers, they kinda did something for us but they still need to finish the job by adding Smuggler missions.
to the rangers i say congrats, hope its everything you wanted
Landorien
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:17 am
#17
Smugglers may lie, corrupt and swindle, but they do not possess the stealth of a ranger, making theft.. tricky to say the least. Not like you can just walk up to someone and start rummaging through their pockets.
A smuggler steal session would probably go something like this:
Han Solo: Look, behind you! A 3headed monkey!
Jabba: really??? aaaah, get it off!! get it off!!!!
*han solo steals jabbas codpiece*
Boba Fett: wth do you think you're doing? /eyeshot /eyeshot
Han: You'll never catch me alive!!! /feigndeath
Chewbacca: /drag /drag /drag /drag
Well, you get the idea.
Mentski
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:51 am
#18
Solution:
Rangers get the cert to make and use holo projectors at master.
Smugglers get the cert to use it at master too.
Much like the way Smugs and Bounty Hunters can both use bomb droids....
Nice? lovely? Great. Sorted.
Message Edited by Mentski on 09-17-2005 02:52 PM
L-a-O
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:28 am
#19
Was a smuggler from day one and to those saying rouges are not smugglers ..... Not sure how it is now but one of our smuggler titles used to be ....yep you guessed it rouge... some of you high and mighty buisnessman smugglers should reilize anything to do with crime in this game is and always will be a smugglers domain, Not some hippy tree loving rangers job...
LaughingWolf
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:48 am
#20
Rogues, not rouges! Gaahhh! That always send Frenchy me into shock when I see that 
"chuckles" ok that out of the way.........
A few quotes lead me to believe that the steal skill was introduced partly so they can pit Rangers against us in some missions. (making the carge we are supposed to smuggle "stealable"). If that's the case, then dealing with Rangers first make sence.
"chuckles" ok that out of the way.........
A few quotes lead me to believe that the steal skill was introduced partly so they can pit Rangers against us in some missions. (making the carge we are supposed to smuggle "stealable"). If that's the case, then dealing with Rangers first make sence.
lurdanta
Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:52 am
#21
Ok, I admit I'm way jealous of the urban stealth, but I'll get over it. I think Smuggler should have something similar, but the whole stealing thing I don't get. If anyone should get stealing, it should be the profession with a skill tree called Underworld and one called Delinquency, Smuggler. And I know some of you don't want to be thieves or drug dealers, but you don't have to be, but the fact of the matter is we are the primary profession in the Underworld and it makes sense all illegal activities should fall within our scope. Don't mean you have to...I mean not all criminals do all crimes, they specialize. Some of them are white collar criminals, some bank robbers, some extortionists, some petty thieves and some smuggle.
Ramsey_Lanclo
Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:13 pm
#22
Personally, (and I'm not saying this as a Smuggler) - I think we fit the standard Rogue/Theif mold much better than Rangers. Don't get me wrong... Very glad the Rangers are gonna get some love - They deserve it just as much as we do... But the stealing thing is much more a Smuggler thing than a ranger thing. IMHO.
Aquadious
Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:19 pm
#24
I dont understand what the big deal is. The SWG smuggler is the criminal element in the game. We are the lowlife scum of the galaxy To some of you crying "smugglers dont steal! , we are good, honest, blockade running, drug dealing, sneaking, underhanded liars!, but we wont stoop so low as to steal a thing!" Thats laughable! Now dont get me wrong ... i love the fact that they are making changes. Most of what they have for rangers .. makes a lot of sense.. as a matter of fact i think im gonna try smuggler/ranger ... should be a lot of fun. But smugglers are vermin!, scoundrels, lowlife back stabbing son of a b*****s who would steal their mothers (hand carved) wooden false teeth! ... if they thought they could make 1/2 a credit. lol If i wanted to be a merchant ... i would havewent.... hmm... let me see ... MERCHANT! Like i said , i like the fact that they are making changes, but for the life of me i cant think of one reason why a ranger would sneak up behind and steal your credits, and a smuggler wouldnt ... but thats all just my humble opinion
novakaine
Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:25 pm
#25
Let me break it down so it is clear. Han Solo isTHE iconic smuggler that most of us relate to when we think of Star Wars and smugglers. Now what did Han do? He didn't stand on the corner slinging drugs nor did he pick pockets, snatch purses or hide in shadows to become invisible. What he did do was smuggle, fly a damn fine ship, and associate with crime lords and scoundrels. Just because he was pursuing illegal profits does not mean he was a thief any more than he was a bookie, mugger, orcounterfeiter. I think you will find that the majority of veteran smugglers were never hoping to be thieves, but really just wanted to be smugglers.
Message Edited by novakaine on 09-17-2005 04:27 PM
Spiderhammer
Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:20 pm
#26
i'm just going to chme in and say the "We are SMUGGLERs not theives line" is utter crap... Now not everyone wants to play a character the same, but smugglers are THE underworld prof for the game and the prof ought to offer lowlifes of all stripes something.... just for the record the stealing thing doesnt hold much interest for me but the urban stealth thing just feels like something i ought to have.. at least a little even if i suck at it compared to a ranger... i'm getting off topic.. my point is to say that smugglers only smuggle is just narrow minded crap. If there was another criminal class i'd buy that line but truth is as far as lowlife criminals we are it,