Smuggler Archive
Thread: Cantina Crawl XII = Bunch of Whiners
fishbrains
Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:59 pm
#27
Datink_Nieleft wrote:
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
Ok, I am not sure how many of you Pay Attention to the Cantina Crawl Videos. they are Pretty cool and have a Good following.
But......
Their Latest has got to be the Biggest Load of Whinning I have seen.
Basicly it's Them Complaining That The devs Keep chaning their Prof and how they don't Like the changes.
Wouldn't it be nice if a Dev Did ANYTHING to Smuggler?
/Sigh, I think I will make a Video to "Smuggler's Blues" Next Show all the Crappy Stuff Smugglers Have to deal with.
Did you watch the same video??? The Dev's keep changing their prof alright and did MORE to ruin it!!! Could you even begin to imagine what AFK slicing would do to us??? The one "money maker" we have built into our prof,..automated.
Biggest load of whinning? Have you surfed through ALL the forums?? What Javier made was a statement of facts about a often overlooked profession. After viewing the vid, I made a male dancer on Euro-Chimaera,...4 hours of at-the-keyboard-dancing. For my time and effort I recieved 0 credits. That was just the tip of the iceberg as far as the problems I could see.
Here's a suggestion:
Go make a male dancer on another server.
Sit at the key board and study what profession you are doing. Start at Mos Eisley cantina then go to Coronet.
STAY at the keyboard through your ENTIRE play session.
Rewatch that video.
We as Smugglers should support our fellow players, especially those prof's that are just as FUBAR as ours is.
well said, 5 stars for you. I don't see why people get so partisan about the non combat professions. As much as I want smuggler fixed they also deserve some serious love.
Datink_Nieleft
Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:29 pm
#28
Thanks for the stars Fish. I honestly didn't realize how bad it was till I saw the video and made a dancer for myself.
Here's to all our profs getting some love....
/L'chaim
TsN-Wizzer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:12 am
#29
Wow, I leave for a Day to Play Halo and The Thread Explodes.
ok Here I come to my defense.
I have Watched all of the Cantina Videos since Number 1 and I love his work. I have Made a few videos Myself even.
I Love entertainers and I Highly Encourage Live entertainers, I Play on Tempest I believe, a Wookie Musician at that. I have Played At the keyboard for Most all of his Profession (except trips to the restroom and Food and Such) So I know the Pains of the Profession.
BUT...... Sad to say I also know that The Profession Works. It does what it's Intended to Do. Are there Issues with it? Does Some of the Artwork need Tweaking? Would it be nice to have a little More Content? YES, But the Mechanics of the Profession Work. If Your a Dancer, You can Dance in a Wide Variety of ways, a Musician can Play Many Different Instruments and songs.
If I were to say anything I would say that the Profession is NOT Broken, It just needs Polishing.
What I felt was wrong was Taking something Like the Cantina Videos, which were Fun and Entertaining to watch, and Turning them into a Political Statement. That is Something I disagree with.
Daturaze
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:27 am
#30
Hey TsN,
Hey, don't apologize, your post generated a pretty cool discussion.
I understand your viewpoint concerning the Cantina videos - don't necessary agree with it, but understand it :>
From my viewpoint, most things evolve (except some CSRs, but I digress) and the Cantina videos are no exception, if you feel passionate about something and do something for some time, then you start looking at ways to improve it, and in this case the videos evolved into soapbox. I'm actually looking forward to see where they go with the next video based on this one.
Perhaps they should've renamed the vids - but I think, given their history that the message packs more of punch if you know who it's from, if you're familar with the previous work, etc.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Take it easy!
Cheers
Dat
Dat
EmpireEntrepeneur
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:46 am
#31
TsN-Wizzer wrote:I have Made a few videos Myself even.Really? I would love to see it!!If I were to say anything I would say that the Profession is NOT Broken, It just needs Polishing./Agree, but then again I think all the professions work, but some people just like to complain
TsN-Wizzer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:03 am
#32
EmpireEntrepeneur wrote:
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
I have Made a few videos Myself even.
Really? I would love to see it!!
If I were to say anything I would say that the Profession is NOT Broken, It just needs Polishing.
/Agree, but then again I think all the professions work, but some people just like to complain
There is a Link in my Sig to my Website and it has a Movie Page with my Movies on it.
I am all for Fixing all the Professions, Just Happen to be a Little Biased as to Who gets Fixed First (:
RatScar
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:16 am
#33
Yeah guys, don't attack these other profs. I understand our bias and everything but some of these other profs are just as bad if not worse as our own. I've been a ranger, a squad leader, an ent, and I'm a commando/smuggler right now. These profs all need lovin' just like us. In fact, there really isn't a prof that doesn't need fixing. We should support each other. Standing together we can get across to the devs better than arguing between each other. (on a side note, some of my guildies have accused me of "whining" too much about the state of smuggler :smileyvery-happy
"Can't we all just get along?"
EmpireEntrepeneur
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:02 am
#34
Thanks Omo, that was a good music video. I am glad you used the station version and not the band one. I love that album!!
picklesSW
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:57 am
#35
"BUT...... Sad to say I also know that The Profession Works."
That's a statement from a certain perspective. Certainly, the base mechanics of the entertainers from a combat perspective work fine. From the perspective of an entertainer, things look much different. Social play is all but impossible in the normal cantinas, we're not financially viable, and we have pretty much next to nothing in terms of content. It's all in your perspective.
The difference between you and I, though, is my ability to see beyond my perspective, understand yours, and support you. I don't call you a bunch of whiners simply because you're calling for change.
Look, you're welcome to offer whatever criticism about my videos you like. I get lots of negative opinions on each video I produce. I can take constructive criticism. But every entertainer at that event knew ahead of time what kind of video I was making, they wanted to stay and make that statement, and calling the statement the, and I quote, "Biggest Load of Whinning I've Ever Seen" is essentially saying that those entertainers should shut up, sit down and entertain in misery because your issues are more important than theirs simply because you don't understand them.
I find that attitude despicable and I think you owe them an apology.
That's a statement from a certain perspective. Certainly, the base mechanics of the entertainers from a combat perspective work fine. From the perspective of an entertainer, things look much different. Social play is all but impossible in the normal cantinas, we're not financially viable, and we have pretty much next to nothing in terms of content. It's all in your perspective.
The difference between you and I, though, is my ability to see beyond my perspective, understand yours, and support you. I don't call you a bunch of whiners simply because you're calling for change.
Look, you're welcome to offer whatever criticism about my videos you like. I get lots of negative opinions on each video I produce. I can take constructive criticism. But every entertainer at that event knew ahead of time what kind of video I was making, they wanted to stay and make that statement, and calling the statement the, and I quote, "Biggest Load of Whinning I've Ever Seen" is essentially saying that those entertainers should shut up, sit down and entertain in misery because your issues are more important than theirs simply because you don't understand them.
I find that attitude despicable and I think you owe them an apology.
TsN-Wizzer
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:23 pm
#36
picklesSW wrote:
"BUT...... Sad to say I also know that The Profession Works."
That's a statement from a certain perspective. Certainly, the base mechanics of the entertainers from a combat perspective work fine. From the perspective of an entertainer, things look much different. Social play is all but impossible in the normal cantinas, we're not financially viable, and we have pretty much next to nothing in terms of content. It's all in your perspective.
The difference between you and I, though, is my ability to see beyond my perspective, understand yours, and support you. I don't call you a bunch of whiners simply because you're calling for change.
Look, you're welcome to offer whatever criticism about my videos you like. I get lots of negative opinions on each video I produce. I can take constructive criticism. But every entertainer at that event knew ahead of time what kind of video I was making, they wanted to stay and make that statement, and calling the statement the, and I quote, "Biggest Load of Whinning I've Ever Seen" is essentially saying that those entertainers should shut up, sit down and entertain in misery because your issues are more important than theirs simply because you don't understand them.
I find that attitude despicable and I think you owe them an apology.
/sigh
Look, You clearly do Not get my Point. I Liked the Video. It was Well Done. But, I just don't Agree with Using it as a Soapbox to Voice Your Concerns on the Game. You have made Wonderful Videos in the Past for Entertainment Value Only, Why use that medium to Complain? Honestly to me It just seemed like Whining.
I am All for Fixing all of the Professions, and I Understand the Plight of the Entertainers, As I have stated, I have one. But I feel that They way it was Presented, In the Medium it was Presented, It Sounded a lot like. "The Devs Gave us This, and we didn't like it"
It's Just My Opinion, and as We all know, The opinion of anyone Playing an SOE game doesn't mean much to Anyone in SOE.
picklesSW
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:46 pm
#37
"Look, You clearly do Not get my Point."
I think I very much do. I understand exactly what you're saying. You're welcome to your opinion. It's not at all an unusual opinion in this player base. I even think the devs agree with it, else they would have done something about the situation before now. It is that very opinion we are fighting against, and it is that very opinion that brought us to the juncture where I felt I had to use this medium to get the word out.
I think I very much do. I understand exactly what you're saying. You're welcome to your opinion. It's not at all an unusual opinion in this player base. I even think the devs agree with it, else they would have done something about the situation before now. It is that very opinion we are fighting against, and it is that very opinion that brought us to the juncture where I felt I had to use this medium to get the word out.
TsN-Wizzer
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:00 am
#38
picklesSW wrote:
"Look, You clearly do Not get my Point."
I think I very much do. I understand exactly what you're saying. You're welcome to your opinion. It's not at all an unusual opinion in this player base. I even think the devs agree with it, else they would have done something about the situation before now. It is that very opinion we are fighting against, and it is that very opinion that brought us to the juncture where I felt I had to use this medium to get the word out.
But Yet You Showed Clearly in your Video a LARGE ammount of Fully Fuctioning Dances, and Dancers, That Clearly Had enough money to Buy Matching Clothes and Instruments.
If Your Going to Make a Statement about Something that doesn't work. Why not Show how it doesn't work. What I saw on the Top of your Video didn't match the Bottom Part. I Saw a Lot of Entertainers that Looked yo be Having fun Entertaining and Dancing. If you Just Read the Bottom part one would Imagine Empty Cantinas with dancers out front wrapped in a Blanket with a sign that reads will dance for food, or Pubs filled with Twitching Toons.
You Turned your Entertaining Cantina Crawl Series into a Political Bash the Devs Soapbox. THAT is what I don't Agree with. I Liked your Videos for Their Entertainment Value. You Have Become another Tim Robbins and Janeane Garofalo.
Madam
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:43 am
#39
Something that you aren't understanding about that video is that those entertainers came from several servers. It shows how small the population really is.
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
picklesSW wrote:
"Look, You clearly do Not get my Point."
I think I very much do. I understand exactly what you're saying. You're welcome to your opinion. It's not at all an unusual opinion in this player base. I even think the devs agree with it, else they would have done something about the situation before now. It is that very opinion we are fighting against, and it is that very opinion that brought us to the juncture where I felt I had to use this medium to get the word out.
But Yet You Showed Clearly in your Video a LARGE ammount of Fully Fuctioning Dances, and Dancers, That Clearly Had enough money to Buy Matching Clothes and Instruments.
If Your Going to Make a Statement about Something that doesn't work. Why not Show how it doesn't work. What I saw on the Top of your Video didn't match the Bottom Part. I Saw a Lot of Entertainers that Looked yo be Having fun Entertaining and Dancing. If you Just Read the Bottom part one would Imagine Empty Cantinas with dancers out front wrapped in a Blanket with a sign that reads will dance for food, or Pubs filled with Twitching Toons.
You Turned your Entertaining Cantina Crawl Series into a Political Bash the Devs Soapbox. THAT is what I don't Agree with. I Liked your Videos for Their Entertainment Value. You Have Become another Tim Robbins and Janeane Garofalo.