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Thread: Cantina Crawl XII = Bunch of Whiners
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
But Yet You Showed Clearly in your Video a LARGE ammount of Fully Fuctioning Dances, and Dancers, That Clearly Had enough money to Buy Matching Clothes and Instruments.
I'm not going to get into stating the bugs and broken parts of the Entertainment professions,each list is as long as that of the Smugglers. Take a moment to think about what you're saying in the second part of that sentence though. We clearly had generous benefactors, most notably Doasa and Javier, who lose a good deal of money every time they put on a Cantina Crawl. As a Master Musician, I craft instruments for those who do not have them. Can I afford it on what I earn as an Entertainer? Certainly not. I have to run combat missions in order to make enough money to live. It is through the sheer generosity of other players that I'm capable of running the Entertainer Memorial Cantina without spending all of my game time running combat missions to earn money for it. Our clothing, instruments, cantinas, theaters, etc, are not easy for us to come by with the state of our professions. Clearly we care enough to do it, but it's not a simple matter.
If Your Going to Make a Statement about Something that doesn't work. Why not Show how it doesn't work. What I saw on the Top of your Video didn't match the Bottom Part. I Saw a Lot of Entertainers that Looked yo be Having fun Entertaining and Dancing. If you Just Read the Bottom part one would Imagine Empty Cantinas with dancers out front wrapped in a Blanket with a sign that reads will dance for food, or Pubs filled with Twitching Toons.
The end lines made it apparent that there is a small community that has stuck through this, but even more people are leaving because the professions they love are not viable, and even worse, are unappreciated, because the AFK'ers have devalued the professions. The video is partiallya warning that one day, the last of the Live Entertainers will hit "cancel" and there will only be AFK'ers and bots remaining.
You Turned your Entertaining Cantina Crawl Series into a Political Bash the Devs Soapbox. THAT is what I don't Agree with. I Liked your Videos for Their Entertainment Value. You Have Become another Tim Robbins and Janeane Garofalo.
No part of the Cantina Crawl XII video bashed the Devs. It pointed out serious lapses of judgement on their part, yes. Yes, it showed how little effort SOE wants put into the Entertainment professions.
Videos are made for Entertainment, of course, but a video or filmwith no message whatsoever is rather pointless. I enjoyed the first Cantina Crawl video (CC6) because it was something new. I enjoyed #7, 8, & 9becausethey had undertones of the Live Entertainers' message (ok, 9 wasa direct statement). As they continued though, I derived less enjoyment, because the entire process became businesslike and in a way, forced. They seemed to be mostly just to be "there." Cantina Crawl XII rolled around and I think something needed to change. If it didn't, the CC XII videowould not have had any meaning to me, it would have been exactly what CC6 was: a recording of an event. Experiencing a Cantina Crawl live is great, but the videos need something more, otherwise they'll become boring and useless to watch.
Entertainers recognize that there are other professions as broken as ours, but that's no reason for we, the members of those professions, to fight amongst ourselves. All the squabbling is probably just going to make the Devs think we're A-ok with our professions as they are since our energies go into fighting instead of making arguments for the improvements to our professions.
Message Edited by Tralmek on 11-10-2004 01:48 PM
It very much sounds as though, forgetting the video completely, you are calling entertainers whiners. "Basicly it's Them Complaining That The devs Keep chaning their Prof and how they don't Like the changes." That's not a message I invented out of thin air for the purposes of the video. The video is a piece illuminating the plight of the entertainers, not inventing it. My hackles are raised here, not in defense of a video I put together, but as a member of a maligned community that needs support, not further persecution, from their fellow players.
If all you object to is the use of the video for this purpose, not the purpose itself, then I have no further objection to your post. I would submit, however, that your words in this thread do not give that impression.