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Thread: so...why do you guys hate jedi so much?
Bdragon; "Is nobody concerned at the ease which..."
I'm concerned with the ease of which this SMUGGLER forum has been hijacked since the respec.
SpinningCloud wrote:Bdragon; "Is nobody concerned at the ease which..."
I'm concerned with the ease of which this SMUGGLER forum has been hijacked since the respec.
What relevance does that have to the very serious point i was trying to make? Or is it that you were trying to avoid that and reduce the post to a flame war?
And if you were trying to insinuate that i have hijacked the smuggler forum you are incorrect, one of my toons had smuggler long before the CU but i never felt the need to post here because it wasnt one of my main professions, just a dabble. Now however i think any reasonable voice should make themselves heard because all forums are becoming completely ridiculous.....
Magui wrote:
here are my reasons and suggestions....."? Seems to me youll get more attention from the devs, and if the suggestions you make are good enough you just MIGHT get some of the "real jedi" (you know the ones that DONT go runnin around theed/coronet "pwnin" everything in sight" might just support it.
No offence taken... I thought the reasons why having one class significantly more powerful than all the others was self-evident. Here it is anyway: All high-level NPCs or MOBs are either a) Challenging to everyone except Jedi, or b) Challenging to Jedi and too hard for everyone else. Yes, it really is just that simple.
"Grouping!" you say. Sorry, that has the same issue. Just change "Jedi" to "group of Jedi" and "everyone else" to "group of everyone else" and apply the above argument -- except that this time the numbers are exponentionally worse.
To be honest, I'd rather see "Jedi-enabled" servers and "Jedi-disabled" servers. Technically, it wouldn't be that difficult. The same code would be on both boxes -- one would simply have the Glowy-ness turned off.
Anyway... I need coffee too. 
This isn't about Jedi, it isn't about BHs, it isn't about players playing any of these professions.
What it SHOULD be about is SOE and their poorly thought-out game mechanics and expedient only'fixes' for problems that come up.
But even so I care FAR more about getting our freaking revamp than I do about Jedi, FD, and LD.
I'd trade FD and LD for a decent Smuggler Revamp ANY FREAKING DAY OF THE WEEK.
I took Smuggler at Live because I wanted to SMUGGLE one day. It's been almost two years since then and we still can't smuggle. Fix THAT first then I'll care about all the rest.
cpz wrote:
This forum is not the place it was three weeks ago
dlc3007 wrote:
cpz wrote:
This forum is not the place it was three weeks ago
Yeah... want to ask about a template?
heh
I have no problem with Jedi players. I love them just as much as the next person.
I DO have a problem with Jedi being the only class fighting the Galactic Civil War right now. The GCW has now reduced to Jedi dueling, withperhaps a random normal combat profession playerthrown in the mix.
I want my game back. I want the game where the GCW is fought between Stormtroopers and Rebels. Jedi weren't meant to fight wars, especially considering that they aren't supposed to exist at this point in the timeline.
You want to know what I hate? I'll tell ya. I hate the fact that the Jedi profession was even included in this game to the degree that it now exists in.
I would LOVE to see Jedi made rare and/or removed from the GCW into a space where they only fight amongst themselves or in a "special" section of the GCW, because they are destroying the GCW for alot of players right now.
dlc3007 wrote:
Magui wrote:
here are my reasons and suggestions....."? Seems to me youll get more attention from the devs, and if the suggestions you make are good enough you just MIGHT get some of the "real jedi" (you know the ones that DONT go runnin around theed/coronet "pwnin" everything in sight" might just support it.
No offence taken... I thought the reasons why having one class significantly more powerful than all the others was self-evident. Here it is anyway: All high-level NPCs or MOBs are either a) Challenging to everyone except Jedi, or b) Challenging to Jedi and too hard for everyone else. Yes, it really is just that simple.
"Grouping!" you say. Sorry, that has the same issue. Just change "Jedi" to "group of Jedi" and "everyone else" to "group of everyone else" and apply the above argument -- except that this time the numbers are exponentionally worse.
To be honest, I'd rather see "Jedi-enabled" servers and "Jedi-disabled" servers. Technically, it wouldn't be that difficult. The same code would be on both boxes -- one would simply have the Glowy-ness turned off.
Anyway... I need coffee too.
LOL I personally cant speak for how "easy" those high end mobs are for jedi (cause mine is only a n00b jedi i rarely play) but as a Smuggler/CM i can solo MORE things POST CU than i could PRE CU. About the only thing i cant solo now are Dark Novatroopers and the Grievous encounter (altho i think with some practice i could solo Grievous). Gorax? never get touched Krayts? never get touched. Jedi have absolutely nothing to do with the problems in this game, the problems are all from poor planning and design from the Devs. If you wanna point a finger point it in the right direction. For goodness sakes, I had a friend who used some spices and got his health over 8k, its poor design thats killing this game not jedi, not BH, not CM or any other profession. The Devs dont think thru all the changes or even test them well enough before they throw them live then wonder why people are out soloing things that they shouldnt be able to or using abilities in a way thats not what they intended.
As for the whole jedi issue, personally id love to see them just simply make it a selectable profession from start thats balanced with everyone else, leave the exp requirement as is and people will finally see that its just not that impressive and go back to the professions they loved before the jedi grind started. Will that happen? Nope. Jedi is simply put, a way to get people to play (read: pay) longer, nothing less, nothing more. *looks back at what he wrote* hmm im babbling, ill shaddup now
The village can already take someone a year to complete, depending on how much playtime they have.
The timeline has not advanced. The timeline has actually receeded, if you take Rage of the Wookiees into account...we have slipped back almost 20 years of timeline with this expansion, thus making jedi even more of a rarity.
The only solution I can see to the jedi overpopulation would be to either make the jedi-free servers and jedi-allowed servers, or to only allow Force Sensitives. There were TONS of Force Sensitives (Mara Jade, Luke, Leia, etc) throughout all of the Star Wars books/movies.
Jedi, however, should be EXTREMELY limited.
Sith, on the other hand...there should be 2...TWO.Palpatine, and Vader. After the Great Sith Wars, it was decided that the Sith would maintain only a Master, and an Apprentice. Any other Dark Jedi were destroyed, considered anathema. Even the Krath became virtually extinct, leaving only 'force sensitive' versions of their Force Priests, who associated as advisors to Palpatine.
I do not hate jedi. I hate PLAYERS who play Jedi and think that they are better than the rest of us, and are ruining this game.
Have you ever been to C-Net, and seen the dozens of jedi standing there, force meditating in the open, and snickering as they destroy BH after BH that comes to claim their bounty? This, my friend, is NOT Star Wars. It needs to be changed.