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Thread: so...why do you guys hate jedi so much?
I mostly agree to that post.
I visit Cnet often and can't stand seeing the players showing off their skills and abilities. I avoid populated areas for that reason, although if a BH attacks and I am there, I will defend myself with all my glowing and sparkling lights.
Most of those type of players should probably not be Jedi and are only Jedi to show off, not for the true Star Wars aura.
You also helped me to prove my point about a timeline, there really isn't one. SOE is jumping around a lot, not really sure if they are even trying to follow a timeline, but I have only read a couple of the SW books.
Having just Force Sensitive players would be cool, with a limit on the number of Jedi and maybe the FS players waiting until a Jedi slot is available to help control the population.
Ototh wrote:
topic.
I think you took the wrong forum,
I'm used to flamewars as a bounty hunter on the BH forums but please leave the Smugglersin peace
Daytona wrote:
I mostly agree to that post.
I visit Cnet often and can't stand seeing the players showing off their skills and abilities. I avoid populated areas for that reason, although if a BH attacks and I am there, I will defend myself with all my glowing and sparkling lights.
Most of those type of players should probably not be Jedi and are only Jedi to show off, not for the true Star Wars aura.
You also helped me to prove my point about a timeline, there really isn't one. SOE is jumping around a lot, not really sure if they are even trying to follow a timeline, but I have only read a couple of the SW books.
Having just Force Sensitive players would be cool, with a limit on the number of Jedi and maybe the FS players waiting until a Jedi slot is available to help control the population.
Wan't something along this line supposed to be intiated when the Jedi plaque went live?? Only a certain amount of jedi per level? Like if there are 100 light side jedi only 5 can be masters and so on. Wasn't that what permadeath was supposed to do? Keep the ranks of the jedi in motion. Light side jedi were supposed to vote for master and dark duel, what happened to that?? If I remember correctly intially it was only random accounts that were FS and could attempt to become jedi, then there was the Holo grind to become a jedi, then the holo grind to unlock to become a jedi when the village went live, to badge hunting to become FS and start the road through the village.
Probably won't c any restriction on numbers of jedi due to ppl complaining its not fair that someone who has been playing for 2 years should have an advantage over someone thats been playing 6 months on whether u have access to being a jedi or not.
IMO: Limited number of jedi per rank. reinstitute a type of permadeath where if u get killed by PC's a certain amount of times you lose jedi and become just FS again to wait inline at a chance to train in the ways of a jedi again. Let Jedi gain xp like everyone else and have Jedi skills use skill associated xp (combat xp, med, crafting) to allow banking for when it is again their chance to attempt the path of a jedi. Institute NPC jedi hunter instances where as Vis gets to a certain level MOB's start spawning in an attempt to purge the jedi (these deaths would not count against the level roll back.) Change bounties on PC's, where anyone can deposit credits into a BH terminal for a bounty on another PC(talk about starting some hate) This would allow BH's to hunt other PC's without the focus being jedi and could increase their profits.
Jedi are here to stay and until the CU they were very much a minority, but with the population decimation post CU there ratio seems to have increased. There needs to be changes and just like with the CU some people won't like it and will quit. Who knows something as simple as enabling bounties on PC's may make a difference to help chill out the Jedi vs BH war.
I enjoy being a Smuggler, but....
My main is a Jedi and reading some of these posts makes me wonder why you are playing this game "STAR WARS" Galaxies. What is Star Warswithout Jedi? It is WOW, or Guild Wars, or some other game. In Star Wars, I do believe that Jedi are supposed to be more powerful, depending on their training, than regular professions. Maybe I am wrong with that, but I don't think I am.
A "full templated" Jedi being 1.5 times stronger than an Elite Prof sounds about right and here is why;
It takes a long time and a lot of time spentbehind a keyboard to be aJedi, let alone a full templated one.
You try grinding and having 2 - 5 Master Bounty Hunters come after you and then lose around 400k XP.
If I am a full templated Jedi Paddy, then if ONLY 2 BHs come after me, I will stand a chance.
Bottom line for me, you put in the time and energy into being a Jedi and then you make that decision and form your educated opinion. Stay in your world and Jedi stay in our world. Unless you are a BH or a heavy PvPer, it shouldn't effect you. If you are, then bring more to the gunfight.
I do respect your opinions though, don't take this out of text, just trying to get a point across to you. I also understand that some people don't want to be a Jedi and I think that is great too. There are a lot of things to do on the game and there are also a lot of other games out there to play- most of them don't have Jedi.
Message Edited by Daytona on 05-14-2005 12:26 PM
Daytona,
You have warped your own argument!
If this is STAR WARS then REMOVE JEDI UNTIL AFTER WE REACH THE TIMELINE OF ROTJ!!!!!
If Jedi are to be 1.5x more powerful, fine..but then STICK WITH THE TIMELINE AND MAKE ONLY 3 OF THEM.
And, no without Jedi this game is not WoW or Guild Wars....WITH TOO MANY JEDI IT IS! Jedi are a magical melee class...can you say paladin?
Convert smuggler for me to a WoW class...sorry, I can't think of any orcs wielding Renegade blasters and flying starships.
What timeline is this exactly??? I heard rumors of it being after Episode 4, before 5. I heard rumors that it was Post Return of the Jedi.
I have been playing since the 2nd week after launch and I have HEARD many timelines. I have even heard that it is when the Jedi Academy is being manned up.
Get my point? There is no true timeline here. *WOW, what a concept* Live with the game the way it is, or find another one, that is all I am saying. I am not trying to slander anyone, or ridicule anyone, not that crass to do something like that.
BDragon wrote:
Is nobody concerned at the ease which people on these forums and in-game are lead down the path of 'I hate this person because he belongs to X class'?
In real life there are certain terms for those people: bigot, racist, sexist, narrow-minded, chauvinist, child.....
You do not hate jedi, you hate a type of player who is not conducive to an online community. Those players do not become any better when they log thier Rifleman or AS/WS alts, but when they equip the saber for some reason the rest of us jedi must take assumed responsability for thier bad behaviour.
Not all jedi whine, not all jedi want every other profession nerfed, not all jedi are EBay and i would hope not all smugglers are simple enough to believe such nonse as 'jedi had two revamps' or that 'jedi' are to blame for your past nerfs.
I seem to remember BH crying to kingdom come over jedi using a skill, yet you blame the jedi using it? now some jedi are crying over a BH using a skill, yet you blame the jedi again? Look past the saber, see the bigger picture here....
I agree with you, and if people had that type of outlook things wouldn't have been as they were, but unfortunately...people don't usually think that way. Even the those who usually think the way you describe find themselves going with the flow of the crowd.
Well, considering right on the box it says 'immediately after the destruction of the 1st Death Star', that's a tell-tale for me.
Jedi Academy being 'manned up' after the 1st death star's destruction????? I don't think so, mate. Luke didn't even begin the negotiations with the New Republic Senate for use of Yavin IV until a few years AFTER the Galactic Civil War ended...and even then, he only took on 12 students...
I think they started out that way with the timeline, but like many other things in SWG, things change. This is a different game then when it was first launched, the game was developed quite some time ago. Launch was almost 2 years ago, times evolve and progress forward, even in timelines.
I too think there are way too many Jedi out there, something needs to be done about it, but 3 just won't cut it. My solution is to make the Jedi grind long and slow, to weed out those that are doing it just to be powerful. I am all for the village quest taking a year to complete.