Smuggler Archive
Thread: The Hunt: Whats your opinion?
TheChipmunkSlayer wrote:
This will be kinda cool; I'm a smuggler AND a BH. So, I'm all kinds of screwed up, lol. As far as the gank squads-- TAKE THEM OUT, even against the jedi, make it 1 on 1. I'm a ranged BH and I've killed a few knights (only 1 on 1), it CAN be done, just be creative.
So you could kill yourself?
BainVenom wrote:
All of you are right in saying we are not apvp class. In my previous post I mentioned enjoying the idea of getting on the terms for doing illegal activities. However I never stated that we should fight the bounty hunter. After all there is no reward for thwarting the bounty hunter other than living. If you take a close look at our profession as it stands right now, all of our skills are geared towards escape and trickery.
If I had a bh chasing me I'd try to land a lowblow followed by a panic shot and then burst run and hope to get my speeder out or hop in my ship and fly off somewhere or like one person stated to engage in ship combat.
Well, for one the bh hunting you is the product of you screwing up on a 'High Risk' and thusly Extreemly Rewarding mission. The mission payout and/or loot are the Pros, and thebounty is the con.Would you accept a mission fora cool mil at the risk of gettingknocked around by a BH? I think you would.
And beyond that, this is just another chance to add content to your profession. Like you said, it's not about fighting the BH for the Smuggler, it's about using your skills to evade the BH. New skills andtoys to prevent being caught and a darn good time while your at it.
... And don't give me this "risk vs. reward" stuff... adding content, i.e. smuggling,to the profession, then saying "oh wait, you can'tdo that unless you consent to PvP" is stupid. Now, that's not to say that I am completely against the idea of player bounties, but I think there has to be a better way to do it than limiting the content that a player can do without consenting to PvP.
Message Edited by Obo-hi on 12-24-2004 01:26 AM
Obo-hi wrote:
Hello there my fellow scum.
I am a Bounty Hunter that is sick and tired of hunting whining, griefing, exploiting Jedi.
Playlist wrote:The list goes on and on. The venemous hate that exists on those two boards is due simply to player bounty system, why on earth would we want that to flood across to other profs?
The hate you speak of is only due to the players not wishing to play their role in the Star Wars universe, but to 'pwn' everyone and everything in sight by utilising any and all game mechanics or even bugs to their advantage.
riotcontrol wrote:
Playlist wrote:
The list goes on and on. The venemous hate that exists on those two boards is due simply to player bounty system, why on earth would we want that to flood across to other profs?
The hate you speak of is only due to the players not wishing to play their role in the Star Wars universe, but to 'pwn' everyone and everything in sight by utilising any and all game mechanics or even bugs to their advantage.
Also playlist not all jedi and Bh's feel this way, many enjoy the hunt. Look, the system does need to be tweeked, we need the CUand we need a re-vamp with something to smuggle before we should be added to the terminals with that said the galaxay is a dangerous place. I welcome the chance to play cat and mouse with a bounty hunter and simply stated if we have smuggling missions/quests and fail them or steal cargo we need to be added to the terminals as marks it just makes sense and adds true player content. If you dont steal your cargo if you dont fail the mission you wont be marked. With all due respect people who are afraid of this should play a safer profession and im not flaming anyone I respect that you may not like PVP but come on we are smugglers living life on the edge.
yimaz wrote:
riotcontrol wrote:
Playlist wrote:
The list goes on and on. The venemous hate that exists on those two boards is due simply to player bounty system, why on earth would we want that to flood across to other profs?
The hate you speak of is only due to the players not wishing to play their role in the Star Wars universe, but to 'pwn' everyone and everything in sight by utilising any and all game mechanics or even bugs to their advantage.
Also playlist not all jedi and Bh's feel this way, many enjoy the hunt. Look, the system does need to be tweeked, we need the CUand we need a re-vamp with something to smuggle before we should be added to the terminals with that said the galaxay is a dangerous place. I welcome the chance to play cat and mouse with a bounty hunter and simply stated if we have smuggling missions/quests and fail them or steal cargo we need to be added to the terminals as marks it just makes sense and adds true player content. If you dont steal your cargo if you dont fail the mission you wont be marked. With all due respect people who are afraid of this should play a safer profession and im not flaming anyone I respect that you may not like PVP but come on we are smugglers living life on the edge.
Sigh, I see the 1-star bandits who 1 star you for anything thats even remotely against their veiw of the game have arrived. That is the main concern I have over player bounties, I do look at he jedi and BH boards but its something I go to see for a laugh not to take part. The hatred and loathing that is generated between these 2 profs is unbelievable and in my 5 years as an EQ vet who moved to swg 10 months ago I have never experienced anything even remotely like it.
As a concept the idea of extended content through player bounties sounds great but the reality of the people behind it are what gives me pause for thought. Nothing I posted before was a direct flame of the original poster btw. I've looked at your posts before and I have to say you were never part of the nerf brigade or the ones asking for unreasonable things but the vocal (minority it might be I must say) members of the BH forums make me worried that it might carry over to the this part of the game.
Jedi are hunted in this time frame according to the way the were implimented and thats how it was set up. The amount of posts spouting righteous and fanatical stories of the lengths BH would go to in order to cause maximum loss to jedi, and jedi to BH scare me. How can we say 'ok we do these things to jedi but I promise we won't do it to smugglers cos they are ok'. Not all BH are like this I know, I have friends you like to roleplay their Bh with a strict 'code' that gives them enormous pleasure win (the best outcome obviously) or loose and its never a case of the leet talk and hate tells, but it happens with such regularity that I am appalled.
The big question is would I welsome more content for smugglers and BH to interact. Yes, I would love a dynamic between these profs. Do i want it to become the same hate, loathing and venom filled relationship jedi and BH currently have? No, that is without a doubt the last thing I can possibly imagine the smuggler prof to become in my opinion.
One story in particualr I read was of a BH who killed padawan and with tells that later followed it turned out the girl was housebound and used swg as her daytime escape. The BH in question was so appalled to hear that she had burst into tears at her 3rd or so death in as many hours and was just devistated by her experiences that day she wanted to quit that the he became her friend and guarded her till she got her xp back and tutored her in ways to stay off the terms. The best of the prof for all to see. The amount of posts that followed saying they would take pleasure in the fact that she was moved to quit the game becuase she was a stinking jedi made me sick and it has tainted my veiw of the BH board community ever since as I have never been able to forget the thread. ( I will try to find the post, it was before the makeover)
Saying that we will be given the ability to choose or not choose the way it is implimented is my 2nd concern, the jedi revamp that took up so much of the devs time over the last 6 months is universally hated by the jedi community. Why would we imagine the devs would take so much time to impliment a system that could be done by simply going over and inviting duels? It has to be far, far more integral to the smuggler as a prof than that or its a toy that will fade out in a few weeks after the curiosity has faded out.
To say I am a BH hater would be wrong, I am not, I am really not. I have friends who are BH and great people and I have read so many fun posts on their forums that I can almost imgine the fun they were having in these battles against jedi who was having as much fun. Life experience has taught me however, that we tend to remember the truely awful experience far more vividly and for a much longer time than a cool fight. The bad apples in the 2 competing profs now leave a bad taste that simply refuses to go away and I would rather have no changes than see them spill over to this part of the game.
If someone can came up with an almost grief and exploit proof way to make player bounties an integral and fun part of the smuggler prof I promise you I will be at the head of the queue.
Playlist wrote:
yimaz wrote:
riotcontrol wrote:
Playlist wrote:
The list goes on and on. The venemous hate that exists on those two boards is due simply to player bounty system, why on earth would we want that to flood across to other profs?
The hate you speak of is only due to the players not wishing to play their role in the Star Wars universe, but to 'pwn' everyone and everything in sight by utilising any and all game mechanics or even bugs to their advantage.
Also playlist not all jedi and Bh's feel this way, many enjoy the hunt. Look, the system does need to be tweeked, we need the CUand we need a re-vamp with something to smuggle before we should be added to the terminals with that said the galaxay is a dangerous place. I welcome the chance to play cat and mouse with a bounty hunter and simply stated if we have smuggling missions/quests and fail them or steal cargo we need to be added to the terminals as marks it just makes sense and adds true player content. If you dont steal your cargo if you dont fail the mission you wont be marked. With all due respect people who are afraid of this should play a safer profession and im not flaming anyone I respect that you may not like PVP but come on we are smugglers living life on the edge.
Sigh, I see the 1-star bandits who 1 star you for anything thats even remotely against their veiw of the game have arrived. That is the main concern I have over player bounties, I do look at he jedi and BH boards but its something I go to see for a laugh not to take part. The hatred and loathing that is generated between these 2 profs is unbelievable and in my 5 years as an EQ vet who moved to swg 10 months ago I have never experienced anything even remotely like it. - In all the posts ive seen most of the exploiters on both sides are one stared (for the most part) and I will agree that people are peeved with gank squads and FD issues but so what. First off many gank squads come from jedi worried about lose of xp and Bh's fear ofover poweredjedi. That wont be an issue with us because we are not nearly as strong as Jedi's. 2nd point, a little hatred is common because it is a new and flawed system with combat way out of wack. Over time and with the CU this will resolve itself and if not so what this game is so lacking in any fire and excitment. Both the players and the game over all need a kick in the pants. People should be afraid to hang out in the galaxy, again it is not a safe place and our line of work is not safe or legal.
As a concept the idea of extended content through player bounties sounds great but the reality of the people behind it are what gives me pause for thought. Nothing I posted before was a direct flame of the original poster btw. I've looked at your posts before and I have to say you were never part of the nerf brigade or the ones asking for unreasonable things but the vocal (minority it might be I must say) members of the BH forums make me worried that it might carry over to the this part of the game. - the nerf issue wont go away regardless of us being in the mix, its just a fact and it wont go away until the dev's address the issue.
Jedi are hunted in this time frame according to the way the were implimented and thats how it was set up. The amount of posts spouting righteous and fanatical stories of the lengths BH would go to in order to cause maximum loss to jedi, and jedi to BH scare me. - we wont have xp lose all we lose is life. How can we say 'ok we do these things to jedi but I promise we won't do it to smugglers cos they are ok'. Not all BH are like this I know, I have friends you like to roleplay their Bh with a strict 'code' that gives them enormous pleasure win (the best outcome obviously) or loose and its never a case of the leet talk and hate tells, but it happens with such regularity that I am appalled. - I agree but remember Bounty Hunters know many of us want to be on the terminals and there has always been a respect between the 2 professions. I know this sounds nuts but us being added to the terminals may actually improve the code of conduct between jedi and BH.
The big question is would I welsome more content for smugglers and BH to interact. Yes, I would love a dynamic between these profs. Do i want it to become the same hate, loathing and venom filled relationship jedi and BH currently have? No, that is without a doubt the last thing I can possibly imagine the smuggler prof to become in my opinion. - It's really not that bad most of the haters are leet kids who would be crying no matter what profession they were in. All the true players i know and have talked with agree with this and its smoething that will never change no matter what profession is the FOW.
One story in particualr I read was of a BH who killed padawan and with tells that later followed it turned out the girl was housebound and used swg as her daytime escape. The BH in question was so appalled to hear that she had burst into tears at her 3rd or so death in as many hours and was just devistated by her experiences that day she wanted to quit that the he became her friend and guarded her till she got her xp back and tutored her in ways to stay off the terms. The best of the prof for all to see. The amount of posts that followed saying they would take pleasure in the fact that she was moved to quit the game becuase she was a stinking jedi made me sick and it has tainted my veiw of the BH board community ever since as I have never been able to forget the thread. ( I will try to find the post, it was before the makeover) - while that is horrible it happens in all aspects of the game, again when you have kids and adults playing on the same system this stuff will happen. It could have been any profession at any time. What about the staker players the ones who follow entertainers arround? Its sadly a part of on line games.
Saying that we will be given the ability to choose or not choose the way it is implimented is my 2nd concern, the jedi revamp that took up so much of the devs time over the last 6 months is universally hated by the jedi community. Why would we imagine the devs would take so much time to impliment a system that could be done by simply going over and inviting duels? It has to be far, far more integral to the smuggler as a prof than that or its a toy that will fade out in a few weeks after the curiosity has faded out. - First off I dont think anyone would be upset if we got a 2 patch re-vamp 1/2 the people on the forums (non-smugglers)feel smuggleris long, long over due. 2nd we are fighting for and should be getting a full revamp at some point this year anyway and the biggest thing we want is smuggler missions/quests and player smuggling. Why not tie the failure of such missions into the BH terminals, it makes sense adds content gives a reason to do the mission right plus adds danger.... all the things this game needs to have.
To say I am a BH hater would be wrong, I am not, I am really not. I have friends who are BH and great people and I have read so many fun posts on their forums that I can almost imgine the fun they were having in these battles against jedi who was having as much fun. Life experience has taught me however, that we tend to remember the truely awful experience far more vividly and for a much longer time than a cool fight. The bad apples in the 2 competing profs now leave a bad taste that simply refuses to go away and I would rather have no changes than see them spill over to this part of the game. -I refuse to let a few bad apples spoil my fun. If this system does happen Im sure people will be griefed from time to time, but with no xp lose and a respect for our profession (we are not jedi and not over all hated) i trully feel it would be the exception and not the norm (as it really is for jedi and Bh) remember tons of bountys are run every day and we only see a few people with true griefing issues, the rest of the time its players crying cause they cant win at something.
If someone can came up with an almost grief and exploit proof way to make player bounties an integral and fun part of the smuggler prof I promise you I will be at the head of the queue. - caylin and wes both have great ideas for evation skills to be added to smuggler, everyone feels slice and spice is no way to be added to the boards. As far as mission/quests that involve smugglingmost feel one mission should come with more risk then others you pick what lvl of risk you want, and their are many other great ideas around in the forum. I respect your point of view but i just cant agree with it. I say bring a gank squad not only will you not get me but if you do i will put up one hell of a fight. If i lose so what it comes with the profession i love and the life of a smuggler.
Message Edited by yimaz on 12-23-2004 01:29 PM
I'd put a slug thrower to my little green head for enough cash.....lol
yimaz wrote:
TheChipmunkSlayer wrote:
This will be kinda cool; I'm a smuggler AND a BH. So, I'm all kinds of screwed up, lol. As far as the gank squads-- TAKE THEM OUT, even against the jedi, make it 1 on 1. I'm a ranged BH and I've killed a few knights (only 1 on 1), it CAN be done, just be creative.
So you could kill yourself?
