Smuggler Archive
Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?
Jakip
Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:08 am
#326
HKowalsky wrote:
they have defenses and COMBAT mods. that is the difference
then go up TKA while working on smuggler or master pistoleer first - FD should be moved to the last box of dirty fighting or preferably master smuggler we all know that moving it to master smuggler will solve all the issues - make it a true smugglerskill, period.
JediNizar2
Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:53 am
#327
BruSwillis wrote:
........
WRONG.
FD in PvE works on TC as it works in live. FD HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF PVP, NOT PVE
This is not True,
Yesterday on the TC-Gorath, I got killed while using FD in PVE
First time, I was fighting a Night sister, I used the FD and gotincap. when the time was out, she came back to me and i hit the FD botton again => same thing Incap, after the tird attack I was died.
the same happen to me with a nova Stormtrooper on Lok. (u know the black 1 with yellow strip)
spatuluk
Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:59 am
#328
Am I the only one who thinks this is a good change? I haven't read through the whole thread, but here's what I think..
Smugglers complain about people black-barring them whilst they're FD, but if they're incapped they probably (I'm not sure.. shouldn't it remove the TEF?) can't take any extra damage.
The FD status will still stop the opposing player from being able to DB (I think - I've seen people say that the change allows players to DB an FD'ed player, but the test notes don't mention it).
I'm not sure how HAM regeneration will work in this case, though, as in FD you can regenerate, but when incapped it stays the same. At least that's how I see it.. I don't have access to the test server and I don't PvP, so I could be totally wrong.
edit: I think Nizars post points out the main nerf - it looks like FD is now to be used as a last ditch way of saving your a$s instead of a way of continually coming back from near death.
edit 2:Just read up to JustG's post. So we can be DB'ed whilst FD??!! I take most of it back, but by the looks of Nizars post we still can't be DB'ed in PVE so it's not completely useless.
Smugglers complain about people black-barring them whilst they're FD, but if they're incapped they probably (I'm not sure.. shouldn't it remove the TEF?) can't take any extra damage.
The FD status will still stop the opposing player from being able to DB (I think - I've seen people say that the change allows players to DB an FD'ed player, but the test notes don't mention it).
I'm not sure how HAM regeneration will work in this case, though, as in FD you can regenerate, but when incapped it stays the same. At least that's how I see it.. I don't have access to the test server and I don't PvP, so I could be totally wrong.
edit: I think Nizars post points out the main nerf - it looks like FD is now to be used as a last ditch way of saving your a$s instead of a way of continually coming back from near death.
edit 2:Just read up to JustG's post. So we can be DB'ed whilst FD??!! I take most of it back, but by the looks of Nizars post we still can't be DB'ed in PVE so it's not completely useless.
Message Edited by spatuluk on 02-22-2005 01:01 PM
DragonSnack
Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:42 am
#329
----Tiggs wrote:
Smuggler peoples,
This was a fix for bug that was/is happening. My apologies for the one-liner but it is a bit busy around here and I was trying to get you the information and juggle other things at the same time. At any rate, right now (on live) you can not be incapacitated while feigning. This is not as designed. We fixed this so that a person can be incapacitated while feigning.
Someone let me know the date of her original post.
thishas breen happening to me for the last 2 weeks
Fighting a Krayt.
I'd FD.
I'd get hit and go down with FD icap timer set to 0(zero)
I watch the incap timer jump to 108 , then jump to 90 , then back to 108 and when the 108 timed out= 0 on the timer bar I
could use the /stand command.
the stand command would not workwhile there was time counting down on the incap bar.
Sure looked like I got incapped while I was FDing to me.
KainMalice
Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:59 am
#330
I am not a smuggler anymore havn't been for a long time. This is a nerf from hell and everyone in this thread has a right to be mad, you have lost everything but slicing. My guildie is a Master smuggler and she has decided to stop slicing and I suggest that you all do the same. Make the other profs rally to your cause. I am a Jedi and I agree with you that the cheap non deserving Jedi are the ones to blame for you current plight.
*edited for spelling
KainMalice
TKM/Master Smuggler/Master CH/Master Rifleman\
Master Carbineer/Master Doctor/Master Combat Medic
Master Medic/Master Brawler/Master Swordsman\Master Achitect
Master Artisan/Master Marksman
JEDI
Message Edited by KainMalice on 02-22-2005 09:04 AM
DragonSnack
Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:08 am
#331
hamhamthe3rd wrote;
feign needs a way to be broken in pvp, if this doesnt do it, then its pointless but it doesnt destroy the usefulness of feign in pve. yes creatures aggro you when you get up from feign but tell me how is this really different than it is now? creatures wont attack you while you arefeigned on the ground so you will not be incapped when successfully feigned. you get up, you attempt to get away, you feign again if you have to. thats how the system is now and thats how the system is going to remainsince creatures wont go over to your bodyto incap you when you are feigned.andif you get up and you get aggroed and fail to feign and become incapped, well thats no different than how it is today. if they incap you, the ones that db, db you ahead of time so theres no triple incap. normal creatures, if they incap you they tend to leave you alone and let you walk away unless you put a dot on them, but again the likelihood of being triple incapped by them is low.
Maybe Rancors cant but Krayts ure can.
Been there, got it done to me, and I also got cheated out of the tee shirt. I was still incappedi and in FD when criiter got killed. I didnt get to share in the resources and I mean the hide Peearls are onkly pretty trinkets to me.
Yakisoba1
Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:22 pm
#332
Wow. Sounds like FD is gone.
For those that say it's not a valid tactic in PvP, I say: Not so. With a group around you, if you take too much heat, you can FD. It allows the docs to get to you, and allows states to go away on their own. When you can, you get up again. As a PvPer, I'll shoot a walking,shooting target before a FD one.
I'm hating being smuggler more and more, because of the constant disrespect. It's poor customer service and poor performance in general that this profession has been treated as it has since launch. Thus, I'll be dropping this pro shortly, in favor of something useful. The guild has one slicer already, not needing two. BH has better pistol specials. The CU is a while off. Adios, and thanks for nothing, SOE. You let the smugglers down.
--Yak
Saabotage
Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:51 pm
#333
DragonSnack wrote:
hamhamthe3rd wrote;
feign needs a way to be broken in pvp, if this doesnt do it, then its pointless but it doesnt destroy the usefulness of feign in pve. yes creatures aggro you when you get up from feign but tell me how is this really different than it is now? creatures wont attack you while you arefeigned on the ground so you will not be incapped when successfully feigned. you get up, you attempt to get away, you feign again if you have to. thats how the system is now and thats how the system is going to remainsince creatures wont go over to your bodyto incap you when you are feigned.andif you get up and you get aggroed and fail to feign and become incapped, well thats no different than how it is today. if they incap you, the ones that db, db you ahead of time so theres no triple incap. normal creatures, if they incap you they tend to leave you alone and let you walk away unless you put a dot on them, but again the likelihood of being triple incapped by them is low.
Maybe Rancors cant but Krayts ure can.
Been there, got it done to me, and I also got cheated out of the tee shirt. I was still incappedi and in FD when criiter got killed. I didnt get to share in the resources and I mean the hide Peearls are onkly pretty trinkets to me.
Posture up skills will take a Smuggler out of FD, in PvP. How is it nobody knows this?
Jakip
Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:10 pm
#336
shhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!that was supposed to be one of the super duper uber Smuggler Secrets!!!
CapnSteve
Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:35 am
#337
Posture up attacks cancel feign death? Whoa, not even I knew that.
Anyway, this is the perfect example of the lack of creativity shown by the devs. How hard could it possibly be to add some kind of roll based on your feign death skill? If you succeed, you appear to be incapacitated to everyone. You can even be deathblowed and will appear dead, although you wouldn't really die. If you fail, you just end up lying down, but can still be attacked as normal. They could even take into account the skills of the person being fooled! It seems pretty obvious to me.
Anyway, this is the perfect example of the lack of creativity shown by the devs. How hard could it possibly be to add some kind of roll based on your feign death skill? If you succeed, you appear to be incapacitated to everyone. You can even be deathblowed and will appear dead, although you wouldn't really die. If you fail, you just end up lying down, but can still be attacked as normal. They could even take into account the skills of the person being fooled! It seems pretty obvious to me.
nerfherder321
Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:37 am
#338
CapnSteve wrote:
Posture up attacks cancel feign death? Whoa, not even I knew that.
Anyway, this is the perfect example of the lack of creativity shown by the devs. How hard could it possibly be to add some kind of roll based on your feign death skill? If you succeed, you appear to be incapacitated to everyone. You can even be deathblowed and will appear dead, although you wouldn't really die. If you fail, you just end up lying down, but can still be attacked as normal. They could even take into account the skills of the person being fooled! It seems pretty obvious to me.
its odd, well i mean, it should be alllowed in PVP under certain circumstances...