Smuggler Archive
Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?
Page 27 of 27
Saabotage
Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:44 pm
#339
nerfherder321 wrote:
CapnSteve wrote:
Posture up attacks cancel feign death? Whoa, not even I knew that.
Anyway, this is the perfect example of the lack of creativity shown by the devs. How hard could it possibly be to add some kind of roll based on your feign death skill? If you succeed, you appear to be incapacitated to everyone. You can even be deathblowed and will appear dead, although you wouldn't really die. If you fail, you just end up lying down, but can still be attacked as normal. They could even take into account the skills of the person being fooled! It seems pretty obvious to me.
its odd, well i mean, it should be alllowed in PVP under certain circumstances...
The reason it still works in PvE as opposed to it will never work again in PvP is because a Human player is always going to check to make sure that the other PC charicter is deathblown. Now if it had a % chance at making us look like a corpse, that would be a different ball game. I also find it funny nobody remembers the people who actually DO PvP. As a matter of a fact my guild in perticular is serious about PvP. And I just lost one of my best skills when this goes live... It should be allowed in PvP their should be a chance that the opponent relizes you are not dead. It should looked Incapped until he Deathblows, If he deathblows and we are FD, it shold then look like a corpse laying there. But if he didnt discover us in FD, then we could stand back up out of corpse state. TKMs get a pop out of incap, why cant we have a pop out of corpse?
Rissen
Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:28 pm
#340
this skill is to be used only when your buffs are outta sync and you need a death blow. See this way you can immeadiately lay down and not risk hitting the person killing you so even non-combat types can eventually do you in.
also it is a greatAFK button in pve while you heal back up just feign and go get some food and take a bio break or a smoke since with armor and all it takes a bit to regen properly.
Ok so everyones right it is basically useless 
SPACE, GCW, PvP, PvE, DWB runs 
Delroh
Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:32 pm
#341
I dont get this, since when i FD and i still get beat on I still get a Inc timer and it keeps going up as i get beat down longer and longer. how is this any different then what it was before? I could be Inc during FD no problem.
Tiggs wrote:
Smuggler peoples,
This was a fix for bug that was/is happening. My apologies for the one-liner but it is a bit busy around here and I was trying to get you the information and juggle other things at the same time. At any rate, right now (on live) you can not be incapacitated while feigning. This is not as designed. We fixed this so that a person can be incapacitated while feigning.
Council Member of the SHJO
PaleGT1
Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:32 pm
#342
I'd have been happy if they moved the FD ability to a higher spot in the profession, like they have done with other professions such as a certain BH ability. Maybe force people to be Master Smugglers or something. I mean, all the Jedi's seem to want to be smugglers anyway, so let's let them have their cake and eat it too. Oops, did I give away the secreat jedi ability of "dabbling"?
lexington23
Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:06 am
#343
JustG wrote:
The intention is that you can be deathblowedwhile feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.
This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.
I believe this to be an outright lie. You are having troubles with feign and you changed it to cure your headache at the cost of your smuggler players profession.
If you are telling the truth and this really is a bug fix, then don't you feel that you and your team has been very incompetent for letting a game breaking bug go for over 2 years?
zazo
Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:40 am
#344
lexington23 wrote:
JustG wrote:
The intention is that you can be deathblowedwhile feign-death(ed). If not this is essentially an invuln button for PvP.
This has been a long-standing bug that was fixed because of the impending GCW changes.
I believe this to be an outright lie. You are having troubles with feign and you changed it to cure your headache at the cost of your smuggler players profession.
If you are telling the truth and this really is a bug fix, then don't you feel that you and your team has been very incompetent for letting a game breaking bug go for over 2 years?
agreed what is the point of "feign death" if in fact your opponent pve or pvp does not believe the fake?
The purpose of this move has been and was originally intended for us to fake incap, break agro and get away from a losing battle. This has never worked in pvp because of a supposed bug that allowed griefing players to black bar and continually destroy armor by repeatedly hitting the feign death player.
a "feign death" is infact supposed to make them think we are dead and they leave us alone.
If this is not the case why call it such? Why not call it "I give up" since I'm laying down til you kill me now anyway?
Satek_Bane
Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:26 am
#345
some think that the change was made because of the complaint that Jedi were using it so that BH's couldn't get the kill. so lets say that that was the problem. they should have left feign death the way it was and MOVED it to Master Smuggler. that would cut down on the dabbler problem just to get FD.
Drygo
Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:27 am
#346
As a former smuggler, I just wanted to lend my support to those smugglers feeling this nerf. I actually left smuggler way back when the spices were nerfed. (I seem to like all the broken professions, like dancer, etc.) There's really no point in feigning death now. And, I have to agree with the people in here who express scepticism that this was a bug. I've never heard that before. In fact, as others have mentioned I seem to remember a dev saying at one point that it was "working as intended."
You can't be surprised that this "fix" happened after the Jedi and BH started fighting over it.
/shakehead
Puertoriqueno
Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:38 am
#347
Ok, I supported this change when I heard that FD would no longer work in PVP, since I believed that it never should have in the first place....however, am I to understand that an NPC will still be able to DB you in PVE when you are using FD? If so, then what is the point of FD? Before I comment further, I would like to know this.
Jaguarrr
Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:44 am
#348
Puertoriqueno wrote:
Ok, I supported this change when I heard that FD would no longer work in PVP, since I believed that it never should have in the first place....however, am I to understand that an NPC will still be able to DB you in PVE when you are using FD? If so, then what is the point of FD? Before I comment further, I would like to know this.
From what I catched up until now you can die in PvE while FD if you get incapped three times in 10 minutes. If you get still hit by an area attack that is.
Not that this will happen often, but it doesn't make me feel better at all.
Puertoriqueno
Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:48 am
#349
Ah. So only on an area attack? Someone had mentioned a tick, but stat mods do not incap you, they just reduce you to zero with no incap....I've had both disease and poison tick unbuffed, and never incapped from either. I would understand why a tick would still work in FD. If that is the case, that only an area attack will take you down, I would not stand against this. NPC's rarely execute such an attack.
BainVenom
Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:05 am
#350
ok....so the devs have some beat down the smuggler ideas.
I want those skill points back first though! oh and it's not an invuln button ya moron when you have no ham which is what happens 100% of the time in pvp.
I don't feign in pvp and now you take the option away? Go do something useful like make some coffee justg
Message Edited by BainVenom on 02-24-2005 05:06 AM
DragonSnack
Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:55 am
#351
Just an update;
I went to TC-whatever.
Duplicted my MC/MS novice scout template.
Got all decked ouot in pretty comp armor and buffed to the hilt.
I then went to Dathomir looking for handy NS to pester.
I found a NS ranger.
I FL2ed her, then did a FD and waited
Since she did not appreciate the scorching blast I sent her way she hustled over to me an Whap. Im down. FD worked
She started walking away.
I lay in place waiting for her to get far enough away for me to get back up, fl2 her again (her health was almost gone from the dot)
and hit the FD button.
A[arently I should have waited untl she left the planet becasue the
Lag bug got me
As soon as I entered the /stand command my nice new friend immediatly ran back over to me.
Before I had completely stood up; POW-BAM I'm incapped. I didn't even get a chance toexecute any commands let alone FD.
Since shemust haveb beenvery upset with me because the next action she took was to DB me.
As I was taking inventory of my cloned bodily parts I noticed that my mind pool was totally drained.
I returned to civilazition only to not be able to located an entertainer or a doc to heal me.
I am going to have to detete that toon and recrete another to test some more. This time I'll find a old crippled Numa to attack. I might have
enough time to actually get up and execute the FD command a second time.
Page 27 of 27