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Thread: NOTHING effects slicing! It is RANDOM. There are no hidden patterns nor changes to the system!
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
A reception desk in a sort of office building.
Receptionist: Yes, sir?
Man: I'd like to have an argument please.
Receptionist: Certainly, sir, have you been here before...?
Man: No, this is my first time.
Receptionist: I see. Do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
Man: Well, what would be the cost?
Receptionist: Yes, it's one pound for a five-minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
Man: Well, I think it's probably best of I start with the one and see how it goes from there. OK?
Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment... Mr. Du-Bakey's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory... Yes, try Mr. Barnard -- Room 12.
Man: Thank you.
[...] The man knocks on the door.
Mr Vibrating:(from within) Come in.
The man enters the room. Mr Vibrating is sitting at a desk.
Man: Is this the right room for an argument?
Mr Vibrating: I've told you once.
Man: No you haven't.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I have.
Man: When?
Mr Vibrating: Just now!
Man: No you didn't.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!
Man: Didn't.
Mr Vibrating: Did.
Man: Didn't.
Mr Vibrating: I'm telling you I did!
Man: You did not!
Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half-hour?
Man: Oh, just a five minute one.
Mr Vibrating: Fine. (makes a note of it; the man sits down) Thank you. Anyway I did.
Man: You most certainly did not.
Mr Vibrating: Now, let's get one thing quite clear... I most definitely told you!
Man: You did not.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.
Man: You did not.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.
Man: Didn't.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.
Man: Didn't.
Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!!
Man: Look this isn't an argument.
Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.
Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is.
Mr Vibrating: It is not.
Man: It is. You just contradicted me.
Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.
Man: Ooh, you did!
Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.
Man: You did, just then.
Mr Vibrating: No, nonsense!
Man: Oh, look this is futile.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: I came here for a good argument.
Mr Vibrating: No you didn't, you came here for an argument.
Man: Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: It can be.
Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
Man: But it isn't just saying "No it isn't".
Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.
Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is.
Mr Vibrating: Not at all.
Man: Now look!
Mr Vibrating:(pressing the bell on his desk) Thank you, good morning.
Man: What?
Mr Vibrating: That's it. Good morning.
Man: But I was just getting interested.
Mr Vibrating: Sorry the five minutes is up.
Man: That was never five minutes just now!
Mr Vibrating: I'm afraid it was.
Man: No it wasn't.
Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.
Man: What!?
Mr Vibrating: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
Man: But that was never five minutes just now... oh come on! (Vibrating looks round as though man was not there) This is ridiculous.
Mr Vibrating: I'm very sorry, but I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
Man: Oh. All right. (pays) There you are.
Mr Vibrating: Thank you.
Man: Well?
Mr Vibrating: Well what?
Man: That was never five minutes just now.
Mr Vibrating: I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
Man: I've just paid.
Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.
Man: I did! I did! I did!
Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.
Man: Look I don't want to argue about that.
Mr Vibrating: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay.
Man: Aha! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing... got you!
Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.
Man: Yes I have... if you're arguing I must have paid.
Mr Vibrating: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
Man: I've had enough of this.
Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.
[From "Monty Python's Flying Circus: Just the Words, Volume 2", episode 29.
Methuen, ISBN 0-413-62550-8 (hardback).]
Lylak Moon
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Well spoken, Octavuous.
- we can safely guarantee that the WayneInAustin did not use the exact same materials for creating all the tools.
- IfWayneInAustin bought the material based on price off the bazaar, then we can probably be assured of a wide rangeof poor materials and good materials because both get dumped on the market at about the same price.
- If WayneInAustinharvested the material on his own based off the highest concentration. then we can probably be assured of a wide range ofpoor materials and good materials because of the nature of harvesting materials.
- If WayneInAustin bought some of his AUKs & WUKs, we can safely assume that some Armor/weaponsmiths would opt to not use their high quality resources on WUKs and AUKs ( because of the status quo, slicing is random/materials don't matter ), while some didn't mind ( pride in their work, etc.. ).
- If WayneInAustin bought clamps andPLKs based off price, we can also assume a wide range of high and low quality tools for the same reason as #4.
Thus we cansafely guarantee that the quality of the tools did varyduring the course of the data collection.We will get a widerrange of of quality of the tools if more of the above points are true.Based on the number of slices, we've probably got a good mix of combinations in whatever range that was.
As fas as I'm concerned, that data is good enough for me. If the quality of the toolsaffect the result of a slice, the the effect is insignificant. Net result, no effect. If you choose to refute that data with speculations on where the data is incorrect then the ball is in your court to refute that data with data of your own.
[edited because I can't type 
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Message Edited by jbezorg on 08-25-2004 06:33 AM
Message Edited by jbezorg on 08-25-2004 06:43 AM
Meh, I already know what the test is going to say, but it seems that some people won't accept tool quality as irrelevant without it…so I'll oblige.
Kwambus wrote:
OMG! Not been in this thread for a while but reading it is starting to give me a headache.
2-Tailed statistical analysis?
People, I have sliced thousands of items... IT'S TOTALLY RANDOM!
Even if using higher quality kits made any difference, it's such a slight one why bother? I can appreciate we yearn to have a little more substance to our existance as smugglers then the "dice-roll" implementation of slicing which we have at the moment. But, for now it aint gonna happen folks, we just have to live with it.
GreenMarine wrote:
