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Thread: Slicing Prices are crazy...will they ever settle down???
Drakenya wrote:
Let's see, I got 3+2+1=6 full houses of WUKs, my Y-8 & YT-1300 full, so thats 1400, plus odds and ends in my other 4 houses, so around 1500+ WUKs (I'm not really a fan of armor slicing, especially with loot, not worth it to slice a full set of armor). And I probably have another 200+ in crates that I need room to unpack.
good man, I went the diff storage route and made the most of a merchent alt and managed to get about 2.5k WUKs and 1.7k AUKs (thank god they convert better). If any new smugglers on Sunrunner need a start on simple and finely crafted toolkits I'll be glad to help em get a good start
Drakenya wrote:
Good man, yes; but good man that called in a lot of favors to borrow lots from guildies and now has no storage space left is more like it.
/wince
I did a slice for free too as I hadn't gotten the chance to test the system yet. Of course I told the guy he was an expiriment. You may have been too.But um, I don't think most smugglers are going to take up doing it for free... not for a 'possible' tip. Unlike dancers, we usually have someplace else we'd rather be.
nacon wrote:
Well the price depends on teh smugg you go to.
I needed a few things sliced and i had my own componets since most smuggs dont have tools on them.
1st smuggler wanted to charge me same type of tool used to slice as a fee. Basically meaning I needed 2 to get one thing sliced.
The second one said 50k per slice sinceI provided my own tools. Seeing that I needed to get 4 slices for the item making it 200k i said screw this
The last smugg did it for free and I tipped him 500k since he wasnt being greedy like the rest.
I had a full set of armor sliced and 2 guns sliced from scratch
If you have 500k to drop on a tip, you really shouldn't be accusing others of greed when they provide you a service.
The first smuggler's "rate" was extremely reasonable, if you ask me. The second smuggler was placing a reasonable price on his time, if you weren;t interested you can always try another.
As for the last smuggler? He's a fool to slice for free unless he's a friend of yours. Smugglers don't get slicing XP any more, maybe his time is worth nothing to him but don't expect that kind of generosity from a stranger. If you can afford equipment that will benefit from a slice, you can afford to compensate the professionals who improve that equipment's value and performance.
Then of course there is always the final option for people who are always whining about "greed" - do it yourself. Don't like the prices of ships? Become a shipwright. Don't like the price of slices? Become a master Smuggler. Then you can set your own prices. Can't be bothered to do so, or have better things to do with your time and skill points? Then get used to the fact that you don't determine what others charge for their goods and services.
YOU'RE the greedy one, for expecting that other people's time and expertise is somehow worth less than yours. Greed is defined as wanting something you don't deserve - and you can't convince us that you deserve a slice, at any price.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
I think there's nothing unreasonable about a smuggler asking you to bring a second component - or are you saying you're entitled to something that the person who's helping you is not?
As for costs, again you fail to elicit my sympathy. If you can afford 300k for the slicing components, and I can only speculate how much you paid for the weapon... you're no charity case. If you can't afford the cost to get the equipment installed, then don't spend beyond your means.
Basically, you expect that others will provide you a service for free - why should they? What are you doing for them? You're sure not donating your time for their benefit (since you balk at the smuggler who asks for an equivalent part as payment). So what you are showing is that you feel that your time is somehow more valuable than those without whom you are helpless.
I'm glad you're not on Kauri - I wouldn't slice your gear for any price. In fact, an attitude like yours may very well get you blackballed by a majority of the smuggler community - a jerk like you can't afford to be picky. Smugglers don't sell the tools they need - so don't blame us for what you paid to get the parts. Loot them yourself if you must, but if you keep up the attitude you've got, pretty soon you'll have to respec to Smuggler - because no one else will want to slice for you.
The whole point is that they're trying to adjust the numbers so that there isn't a FOTM for slices. May also explain why there appears to be a slicing cap for weapons.
That said, if a weapon isn't damage capped, I think the 8% dam/2% spd/2% Crit is the best weapon slice. Also very profitable for me, I might add. If the damage is capped, then I don't know that there's a "best" (assuming that the crit hit is fixed)
For armor, good luck. Lots of very good options there and it is really up to the play style.
Personally, I like that there is no real "best" slice. Makes slicing and weapons fit the individual better.
This is where it is going on eclipse. This is from the tradeforum today, and this person most likly doesn't like me.
Still I had to point it out to him.
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1) 13x Delicate Trigger Assembly
125k each
2) 4x Mandalorian Intraframes
100k each
please leave IGN or a vendor waypoint for dropoff
Message Edited by Enita on 07-08-2005 11:34 AM
Message Edited by Enita on 07-08-2005 02:30 PM
Col. Enita Aseip
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reduced prices
Col. Enita Aseip
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prices set to get rid of them
Col. Enita Aseip
Pistoleer, Rifleman
Proud citizen of Europa
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Prices are still such that a smuggler will charge the same or more then the price of the gun being sliced unless they are high grade krayt/gorax weapon. The death of the smuggler profession as far as slicing goes this is. I however wish you luck on your sale and hope you find a buyer.
// Hawi Carrod - Master Smuggler - Dewback farmer, Northstar Alliance, Naboo.
// Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer/0440 Carbineer, Master Privateer
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// Remember all: IT'S A TRAP!!
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I have already sold them all, and got more to replace them.
Col. Enita Aseip
Pistoleer, Rifleman
Proud citizen of Europa
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Well good profit for you then, worse for the smuggler and the end consumer.
// Hawi Carrod - Master Smuggler - Dewback farmer, Northstar Alliance, Naboo.
// Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer/0440 Carbineer, Master Privateer
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See where this is going. Not only has the market hyperinflated latly, seriously, if you don't have atleast 10M ON YOU, at any given second, your poor. This comes from the obvious money grinding on dantooine, and if you have read the article about irl biz that just harvest game-money for excange for real cash on such sites like eBay, you also know where alot of money come from.
Before I sliced 100c per %, soa 30% was 3000c, later I changed that to 2500c per weapon and 15k for a full armor, afterall, profit isn't my driving goal. True, I have a 1002 w/o pup DE-10 and 4 RIS armors, and a gazzilion other whatnots, but in terms of raw money, I'm not that rich, I pendle between 5 & 20M becuse I always convert any cash into new investments (ie junk 
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But now, what will the cost for, lets say, a full armor? 6 parts, each part can take 100% or 4x25% mods. If we for the ease of it says you dump all in something that has 4 levels and needs a simple tool for lvl 2, a finetuned for lvl 3, and some more or less very rare loot drop for level 4, we're looking at about 250k atleast in just tool cost and then profit ontop of that, which should be about the double.
do YOU think you will get customers, besides the insanely rich to pay for atleast 250k + your cost that just for this is 250k (time put in if you looted everything, spending a gazzilion hours doing it) and stagering 500k per part? and 3M for a full suit? Is this where it is heading?
As an example in the EU/Canon star wars universe a blaster costs about 500c, and a NEW light freighter about 125.000c. A corellian corvette, used but still, 1½ million (+permits). Something must be done,slicing a basic & simple service should not cost this much.
My example might be a bit high, but far from unrealistic. Do we really want our profession to become a "luxury"? I didn't see Han & Chewie having heavy goldchains around their neck and bling bling spinners on the falcon, did you? No I say, give us tools we build ourself, like other crafters, lets US experiment on the tools, use normal resources and such. That would be for the best.
AsItold my guild, I am no longer slicing foranyone, just a statement to make over how wrong I think this has turned out.