Smuggler Archive

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Walwyn wrote:

I have looted hundreds of SEA's. The better ones were off high level NPC's and in Locked Maglock containers. I have gotten the only 7 skill level SEA out of MagLock container.

Perhaps they aren't that much better, but the average of the ones I got out of Maglocked containers were better then the ones I have ever gotten off NPC corpses...

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Walwyn wrote:

Caylen (spelling sorry),

You make some interesting points, but smugglers were never suppose to be combat gods on their own.

I never said we should be, you said we were.

But what makes them a cut above the rest is the KNOCKDOWN with a pistol, the fastest firearm in the game.

Do you pvp often? Easily negated just with some simple food and you wont be knocking down a defense stacker.

Frankly there is no single Class in and of itself that is all powerful.

Correct, but some are more equal than others. To say a smuggler is a combat god is false when directly compared with a real combat profession.

A TK without Buffs, ala TK/Master Doc will go down pretty fast against most other classes from a distance. I have proven it myself. A friend has a TKMaster and I had just a lowly Novice Pistoleer, but with a little clever-ness and the wisdom to never get close I dropped him.

That doesn't make smugglers combat gods, as you claim. Once again, you mention pistoleer. That is not smuggler.

He had good armor, but no buffs.... Add Buffs into the equation and it makes a huge difference.

They make a difference to anyone. Why do you think those crafters are getting into the DWB?

However, TK's don't get Buffs without paying for them which is a limited resource or being a Doc and TK. Thus a combo-profession.

Though your points are interesting you don't actually poke holes in anything I said.

I'm acting off your statement that we are combat gods, when obviously we are not and we shouldn't be.

Smugglers have the only Pistol Knockdown in the game. Last Ditch does massive damage. I went through more Dark Troopers and Rancor with that single attack then I thought possible at the time.

Sorry, pistoleers have melee defense. Also a knockdown. Fan shot is better DPS than last ditch.

Every profession in this game has holes. That's intentional so that not one profession has every player in the game in it. You must be diverse.

If you want to be a combat goon you must have multiple professions, period.

The template I described just happens to be one of the best.

If anyone deserves to complain I'd say it's Commando's frankly. However, with the right stacking you can be a very potent Commando as well. And remember Commandos were designed for SIEGE combat, aka taking out installations, turrets and AT-ST's with heavy weapons.

Like I said I see you points, but think you want too much for Smuggler profession. Smugglers aren't Jedi's and aren't suppose to be the end all be all combat goons by themselves. With the right Combo they can be though! So pick one, Combat or Smuggling... You can do both once Piloting skills come out..

Flame on!

Pieces!

Again, I'll repeat, you were the one saying we were combat gods. Not I. Don't attribute godliness to a profession who has such a small role in your victories.

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The Infamous Caylin Borealis - First Master Smuggler on Bria
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse!
:The Ghost with the Most:

One tree does nota profession make.

*edit*

Where is the smuggler content? That is what we want. Content. Screw combat.

Message Edited by KefkaQ on 08-10-2004 02:37 PM

Message Edited by Ragnaat on 08-10-2004 05:56 PM

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Walwyn wrote:

Yimaz...

The complaints I always here aren't about the class, and I do hear them alot, which is why I got frustrated and chimed in here, are 99% about combat.

Show one where we want to be combat gods...

As I have said there are some problems in the smuggler profession, but that I think JtL will by default fix a lot of the feel.

The feel? All they have said is we get to fly around in a YT-1300 and pretend we're Han Solo...Oooh, thats content

How many professions have a Knockdown attack?

BH, Pistoleer, Pikemen...etc

How many professions have a Feign Death ability to save their butt in PvE?

That would be because we're not Combat Gods as you say....if it worked.

Is Underworld a lil weak? Yes.

A little weak? Keep going...

I remember back when BH investigation tree was just something that sucked the life out of that profession too. Did it make it unplaybale? No! Does Underworld make Smugglers unplayable? No...

No, we're still playing the profession, its a dying dedication to a profession we love. We just want work done on it

Looking at the profession all by itself here is what I see...

Very good combat special abilities for a class that is only moderately aimed at combat. Slicing is a huge huge bonus even if there is currently bugs with the magcontainers and slicing out things. When I played a smuggler, and it has been several months (6 or 7) I was able to slice anything, containers and terminals. If that is broken I am sorry, but those aren't complete revamp issues either.

Do your homework, terminals and containers aren't the issue.

Spices I agree there are only a couple descent ones. Heck I think only one is really good, and that's Muon of course.

The problem with the prices for those is that SMUGGLER PLAYERS TANKED the prices.. You flood the market and prices drop it's just simple economics... I always keep a crate on my characters though for those times when crap-happens though.

Spices tanked because the demand tanked because of Chef foods...it's just simple economics..

Back to slicing. I don't have a character on live that doesn't have something sliced. Every time I buy armor I buy several sets at a time so that I can get the ENC sliced. That makes Smugglers lots of money as I have to keep having slice another piece. Not to mention degradation makes me come back when the armor is trashed...

Our only source of real income and about the only smugglish thing we have...does not make us smugglers

If you are a stand alone smuggler you have a crap-load of skill points just laying around. Only a fool wouldn't take something that will either A help you build around a concept/role play or B you take combat support skill boxes to make you more potent.

As would an Artisan or any other non-Combat or semi-Combat Profession in order to survive. But it's the other professions you've stated that make your UBER-Combat God...not UBER Smugger God.

Saying look at a Teras Kasi by itself and you could still find some holes in them as well. Then again TK's are STRICT combat classes where as Smugglers are HYBRID classes. Hybrid classes in all games from EQ to SWG are always less potent then a class directed to on specific thing. A combat class is really good in combat. A healer class is really good at healing. A class that is suppose to do both will do so descently but never as good as the single objective classes.

It very much sounds like many of you wish the HYBRID class of smuggler to be as directly effective as DIRECT PROFESSION class such as Doctors and Teras Kasi. And that's just not going to happen.

All we wish for is content and useful skills, sure we have a few but a couple of skills doesn't make a profession.

I love SMUGGLERS! Their bugs have only minor effect on the fun I can have in the game....

As do we, which is why we strive to make it a better profession, not to be UBER Combat Gods. I would suggest sticking around our forum for sometime to get an understanding of what we want before trolling in to stir up the hornets nest.

Flame on!

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