Smuggler Archive
Thread: From a former Master Smuggler in Live and Beta3
KefkaQ
Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:59 pm
#27
You are missing the point. I want to smuggle. I want to do things that are seedy, illegal. Spices and slicing, just don't cut it, as there is no penalty for them, not really. Why waste points in underworld when I could justbe imp to get around the scans. I'm personally doing master smug/master pistoleer, and then a little bit of everything else. That still doesn't mean I smuggle. There are more people here interested in seeing the only profession that doesn't do what it's name suggests fixed so it does just that. It has nothing to do with combat ability, or stacking, or templates.
For the longest time I was running around with novice entertainer, because it gave me more content than smuggler. And that's just sad.
Walwyn
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:05 pm
#28
Said I was leaving, but wanted to answer someone's question before I left...
When I was a smuggler on live I had ONLY Novice BH so I could use the Scatter Pistol. I had to drop the BH when I was Smuggler 4-4-4-3 to finish the master off in Spices. Once I mastered I dropped Master and Spice 4 and retook Novice BHand played my smuggler like that for about 2 months.
I fought Rancors, NightSisters and about a million Dark Troopers as that was the height of the Holocron huntingcraze...
I am however, working up a Smuggler/BH on three servers as I can, Ahazi, Bria and TestCenter now that they have lowered the requirements to getting BH, lowering it to Explore 4 from the scout tree. All three characters are currently Pistol 4, Unarm 3... with a smattering of medic/scout in there to get by at the lower levels.
However, for the past several weeks I have been working mainly on my TK/Doc on TestCenter to complete research on the new Publish 10 Jedi System.
I have as in my signature a Master Swordsman/Doctor on Lowca with like 80 badges waiting for Publish 10 to hit the live servers. I have a second account that is a Master Artisan/Merchant/Architect... But have been Tailor, Weaponsmith, Armorsmith, Chef and something else I just can't remember...
WayneInAustin
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:15 pm
#29
Walwyn...
I'm a pretty low key guy, but your trolling finally got to me. You have made misstatement after misstatement, then finally admit that you haven't played since third month, and have backtracked trying to explain yourself.
And you can't even spell the correspondents name right!
And you can't even spell the correspondents name right!
Aren't you embarrassed by coming on here and looking like an idiot?
Can you try to explain again what your point is?
At first, I thought it was that Smugglers are Combat Gods, but here is the uberness of our combat skills, as others have mentioned:
1. Panic Shot is a VERY slow but high damage shot.
2. Low Blow is a knock-down and run-away shot. You don't appear to know that it has been nerfed.
3. That leaves Feign Death. Feign Death is just asking for trouble in PvP.
If you don't remove your armor, anyone can blast it down to condition 0while you feign.
If you take time to remove your armor, you risk dying.
If you do manage to remove your armor, your health bars can still be blastedto 0.
The only place FD helps me often is PvE, and I'm fairly SURE you didn't say "Smugglers are COMBAT GODS in PvE".
If you don't remove your armor, anyone can blast it down to condition 0while you feign.
If you take time to remove your armor, you risk dying.
If you do manage to remove your armor, your health bars can still be blastedto 0.
The only place FD helps me often is PvE, and I'm fairly SURE you didn't say "Smugglers are COMBAT GODS in PvE".
So then I thought your point was that we had a rocking class. Well, we've showed that at least two of our trees, if not three, are fairly worthless. And you finally admitted we need content.
So correct me if I am wrong, but what you must have meant to say is:
"Smugglers Rock! You can PvE really well and you can Slice!!".
We already knew that. What a loser.
"Smugglers Rock! You can PvE really well and you can Slice!!".
We already knew that. What a loser.
Bzzzz
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:20 pm
#30
Walwyn wrote:
Dude Smugglers Rock! They are combat gods and if you don't think so, you clearly don't know how to play them!
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You make some interesting points, but smugglers were never suppose to be combat gods on their own.
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First, I don't PVP anymore and haven't since about the 3rd month of live. I find the practices of most PvP's deploreable at best.
But what makes them a cut above the rest is the KNOCKDOWN with a pistol, the fastest firearm in the game.
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Did I mention slicing your own FREAKING ARMOR AND WEAPONS!!!!!! CHA-CHING! And getting the better SEA's as you can SLICE those blasted MAG-LOCKS!!
So apparently, you think that we're COMBAT GODS.. because of 3 other professions.. and you're only talking aboutDirty Fighting, really..and oh yeah, you have no relevant PVP experience.
You also seem to think that with the caps currently in place, pistoleers are inherently faster than riflemen.
And best of all, you think that Maglocks are sliceable.
Basically, you're an attention-whore and you don't know what you're talking about. End yourself.
-Zz (those flames work for ya?)
yimaz
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:32 pm
#31
Walwyn, Im sorry to break it to you but you don't know what you are talking about. Stop back in and talk to us when you master the get a clue profession!
TheWok
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:47 pm
#32
Walwyn wrote:
When I was a smuggler on live I had ONLY Novice BH so I could use the Scatter Pistol. I had to drop the BH when I was Smuggler 4-4-4-3 to finish the master off in Spices. Once I mastered I dropped Master and Spice 4 and retook Novice BHand played my smuggler like that for about 2 months.
I fought Rancors, NightSisters and about a million Dark Troopers as that was the height of the Holocron huntingcraze...
So, you were a master smugglerfor all of 30 seconds? Oh...but you were a smuggler in beta 3. That's impressive. Except when you take into account that the smuggler trainer didn't work until nine days before release. So, if you were a smuggler, you weren't a very skilled one. And you certainly weren't one long enough to learn a great deal about the profession before release. Your beta smuggler experience amounts to pretty much nothing.
... which is what smuggler does to increase your combat prowess. Last Ditch is a good special, but without pistoleer skill mods, you're not going to hit much with it. Panic Shot is worthless. Low Blow misses or fails to KD more often than it works, and Feign Death's usefulness is debatable. I am a master TK/smuggler/pistoleer. If I dropped smuggler, my combat effectiveness would go down only because of the loss of Last Ditch. I solo rancors and nightsisters, too, but smuggler doesn't let me do that. TKM does.
But let's say that your template is the be-all end-all of combat templates. It still doesn't solve the problem that we do not smuggle in the game, nor do we do anything that even remotely resembles smuggling.
LM
Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:08 pm
#33
LOL! I got a good laugh out of this thread. Not sure what the h3ll Walwyn's point was, except to stir the pot.
Everything I would have said in response to his post has been said by others more articulate than I.
Lylak Moon
JacobKell
Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:29 pm
#34
He had no point. He just wanted an excuse to increase his post count
LM wrote:
LOL! I got a good laugh out of this thread. Not sure what the h3ll Walwyn's point was, except to stir the pot.
Everything I would have said in response to his post has been said by others more articulate than I.
Lylak Moon
-Ape-
Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:30 pm
#35
I agree, im a smuggler, I dont mind it. If everyone thats in the proffesion is complaining about it... than just leave. It makes me sick seeing all you whine (almost every post is complaining) For the smugglers who realize that this is a game and that it will never be perfect than im not pointing at you, Just tired of all the whining over something that is an option to be... If you dont like smuggler than leave... Im sure the cantina could use another dancer.
Capt_Baobab
Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:35 pm
#36
Ragnaat wrote:
And exactly how do you feel about the other 75%+ 2 skillboxes and master box? Are they Godly as well? What's a Godly template for a master smuggler? What does a smuggler do if he wants to carry a bowcaster and be like Chewie instead of Han?
And magseals? please...
come back when you have a clue man.
LEmmy get back to you on that.... i'm working that angle meself...
DRWolfe
Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:16 pm
#37
Walwyn wrote:
I am really tired of hearing your complaints. Don't get me wrong as I love a good **edit**-fest as much as the next person and have given more then my fair share, but getting sick of this bad one.
With the changes to Bounty Hunter requirements the most powerful firearm combination in the game is a Smuggler Tree 4, Bounty Hunter Pistol Tree 4 and then some pistol tree for some defenses.
You can now Master Marskman, Brawler Unarm IV, Master Smuggler, Scout Exploration IV,Bounty Hunter 0-0-4-0 and have 32 points left. Plus Scatter Pistol Certification! (frankly with all the pistols in the game I have used, which is all of them, it's the best pistol even post nerf by far!)
Those 32 are enough to take one whole Pistoleer Tree (dodge tree and then 3 more of a second pistoleer tree branch)!
This will give you multiple extremely damaging Pistol Shots, which INCLUDE several BLEEDS, a VERY POTENT KNOCKDOWN with Low Blow and make you faster then a Master Pistoleer. And lets not forget about EYE SHOT!
Frankly that makes youis one of the most potent combat characters in the GAME as long as you stay out of a TK's melee reach.
And if you are gun-monkey you shouldn't be in arm's-reach of a TK anyway if you have half a brain!
SMUGGLERS ARE COMBAT GODS!!!!!!!! If you take the right support professions!
Please report this post as abusive so the Devs can see that some people actually understand the Smuggler Class and know that it isn't even close to being broken! It ROCKS!!
Did I mention slicing your own FREAKING ARMOR AND WEAPONS!!!!!! CHA-CHING! And getting the better SEA's as you can SLICE those blasted MAG-LOCKS!!
Oh and wait there is FEIGN DEATH for PvE!
Dude Smugglers Rock! They are combat gods and if you don't think so, you clearly don't know how to play them!
Please let your FLAMES COMMENCE NOW!!!
Pieces!
Um. Where in all of that is the SMUGGLING? Anyone can become a good fighter with the right professions, but WHERE'S THE SMUGGLING? Nowhere in any of your post are you mentioning anything that we're actually ASKING FOR! We don't want to be COMBAT GODS! We want to SMUGGLE and do thing usually associated with a SMUGGLER!
And if you're actually a Master Smuggler in Live and Beta 3, then you'd know WE CANNOT SLICE THE MAGLOCK CONTAINERS! They are on a timer and are not currently (or have ever been) slicable!
I have to say, it is you who does not understand the Smuggler class and what it should be.
By the way, if it's so great, why are you a FORMER Master Smuggler? Hmmmm?
EDIT: Forgot to mention. Han was a most excellent pilot. You need to do a bit more research, and less trolling.
Message Edited by DRWolfe on 08-10-2004 10:18 PM
CadenceX
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:04 pm
#38
The aboverhetoric by Walwyn / -APE- (the same person)and the resulting responses from the smuggler community tell mea few things.
The smuggler community is steadfast in its reasoning and purpose. That working content is what "makes" a game. If it was PvP combat that brought you to master smuggler, I think you've long since left, or your not a master smuggler. In any case, the '"complaints" Smugglers declare are in direct light of being purposefully ignored in ALL regards save where the abilities post launch were nerfed and or changed. The development of the class has remained stale. Its my opinion, the majority of the active smugglers opinion, and even the developers have acknowledged the fact that the profession needs some work and improvement. Most of what anyone hears in the form of "complaints" is that its all been too long in coming. If you ask me, generating content for the smuggler profession and intertwining it with other content (non combat) professions would go a helluva long way into developing the "feel" of what living in the SWG universe is. I'd even go so far as to say that its crucial to, orwould majorly increasethe longevity of the game and experience. Which is a far nobler experience than being a combat god. THAT is what smugglers are yearning for.
I can understand Walwyn playing devils advocate, and it might even generate some "visibility" among non smuggler types.
JiganSterling
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:06 pm
#39
Walwyn wrote:
I am really tired of hearing your complaints. Don't get me wrong as I love a good **edit**-fest as much as the next person and have given more then my fair share, but getting sick of this bad one.
With the changes to Bounty Hunter requirements the most powerful firearm combination in the game is a Smuggler Tree 4, Bounty Hunter Pistol Tree 4 and then some pistol tree for some defenses.
You can now Master Marskman, Brawler Unarm IV, Master Smuggler, Scout Exploration IV,Bounty Hunter 0-0-4-0 and have 32 points left. Plus Scatter Pistol Certification! (frankly with all the pistols in the game I have used, which is all of them, it's the best pistol even post nerf by far!)
Those 32 are enough to take one whole Pistoleer Tree (dodge tree and then 3 more of a second pistoleer tree branch)!
This will give you multiple extremely damaging Pistol Shots, which INCLUDE several BLEEDS, a VERY POTENT KNOCKDOWN with Low Blow and make you faster then a Master Pistoleer. And lets not forget about EYE SHOT!
Frankly that makes youis one of the most potent combat characters in the GAME as long as you stay out of a TK's melee reach.
And if you are gun-monkey you shouldn't be in arm's-reach of a TK anyway if you have half a brain!
SMUGGLERS ARE COMBAT GODS!!!!!!!! If you take the right support professions!
Please report this post as abusive so the Devs can see that some people actually understand the Smuggler Class and know that it isn't even close to being broken! It ROCKS!!
Did I mention slicing your own FREAKING ARMOR AND WEAPONS!!!!!! CHA-CHING! And getting the better SEA's as you can SLICE those blasted MAG-LOCKS!!
Oh and wait there is FEIGN DEATH for PvE!
Dude Smugglers Rock! They are combat gods and if you don't think so, you clearly don't know how to play them!
Please let your FLAMES COMMENCE NOW!!!
Pieces!
HELLO....I don't think anybody thinks that we cannot hold our own in combat. The problem is CONTENT. Some of us do not like to kill npc's and bunnies all day.
The name of the class is SMUGGLER not UBER PISTOL GOD 5000.