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Thread: Smuggler Request to the Devs to clarify the changes on Feign Death. What does it mean to us?
JTGAlpha
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:16 pm
#209
Wow that was weak. Do you know if my parents are even still alive? Nice one, "pro". And no, your not a hardass... Wow, sweetness, that was cute. Try it again but be funny. You didn't bring the funny there. And maybe I'm not a hardass, but you're unarmed in a war of words. Walk on.
Maybe you dont PvP much. Again, when you can GET UP AND WALK AWAY while yur opponent dies fighting others that is a win. Yeah. So? Does that happen everytime I feign death? No. Does it happen MOST of the time? No. So is that the ONLY solution? No. So do you have a point that I didn't already refute? No. Please come back when you have a point. Thank you come again.
Seems like you all are jumping on the "devs suck" bandwagon. Please look at what the TC testers are saying. Or test it yourself. Or you could just sit on yur butt and whine some more.
Maybe you dont PvP much. Again, when you can GET UP AND WALK AWAY while yur opponent dies fighting others that is a win. Yeah. So? Does that happen everytime I feign death? No. Does it happen MOST of the time? No. So is that the ONLY solution? No. So do you have a point that I didn't already refute? No. Please come back when you have a point. Thank you come again.
Seems like you all are jumping on the "devs suck" bandwagon. Please look at what the TC testers are saying. Or test it yourself. Or you could just sit on yur butt and whine some more.
I'm at work peaches. I can't test it. But I can tell you what it looks like to me, and to me it looks like Test Center is down. It looks to me like JustG indicated that what we said MIGHT be accurate. It looks to me like you haven't made one single valid arguement for or against anything, and that all you're doing is saying, "Stop whining, and shut up!" which, ironically, is in itself a form of whining.
TheFightingCorcoran
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:17 pm
#210
01201986 wrote:I don't know about the other Smugglers. But for me, the issue is not so much the nerf, the issue is that this nerf was brought upon by whiny jedi and BH's. in addition to the fact that the dirty fighting tree is now rendered completely useless. and when was the last time someone used FD in pve? i know i don't use it at all hardly. 90% armor plus 3k buffs, you are nigh invulnerable in pve anyways, as long as you are smart about what you fight.
DWB, corvette, and once the Cu hits(heck, even the GCW changes). Our DWB leader is a commando with FD when the mobs decide to attack him.
Just so you all know my position, I think smuggler has been screwed most by the devs(not saying devs suck). But this is something that should have happened.
And again, go test.
Ragnaat
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:24 pm
#212
The issue with me is the fix was a weak one resulting in more wasted pistol XP and another deathblow to the pure master smuggler (those not pistoleer too).
01201986 wrote:I don't know about the other Smugglers. But for me, the issue is not so much the nerf, the issue is that this nerf was brought upon by whiny jedi and BH's. in addition to the fact that the dirty fighting tree is now rendered completely useless. and when was the last time someone used FD in pve? i know i don't use it at all hardly. 90% armor plus 3k buffs, you are nigh invulnerable in pve anyways, as long as you are smart about what you fight.
They didn't ask what could be done, they didn't let us know this was a "bug" and not just something that is being over used by 0010s.
What could they have done instead short of a complete revamp caylin hopes will come someday over the rainbow?
- flip what specials get granted at what skill. I said filp because unlike many posting here I do not condone simply moving it to master and leaving nothing new in its place.
- make the modifiers actually *do* something.
- add a timer either in between uses or a timer in how long you can stay down / auto stand
- have it break combat in pvp so you fix that other griefing tactic.
What they thought up and presented now is just another hack on top of a ton of other hacks to this game and leaves us with a profession that you can spend 1+mil pistol XP and not be a better combatant *at all* over someone with the pre-reqs. (4020)
Message Edited by Ragnaat on 02-18-2005 08:27 PM
chSoup
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:26 pm
#213
I thought we got rid of you dumb DEV
But i see your back on nerfing stuff again
Tepic_Sand
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:28 pm
#214
This is a great change and I cant see why people are complaining. Feign Death - you are faking death in order to try and escape death....this will only work as long as you are fighting a stupid opponent, which is not the case in PvP. You can flop around and fall over all you want but if im fighting you to the death ill damn well make sure you are dead. I dont want you jumping back on your feet and gunning me down as i walk away. Its clearly meant to be a move for the less inteligent enemy - hence it working in PvE and not PvP.
JediNizar2
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:35 pm
#215
Tepic_Sand wrote:
This is a great change and I cant see why people are complaining. Feign Death - you are faking death in order to try and escape death....this will only work as long as you are fighting a stupid opponent, which is not the case in PvP. You can flop around and fall over all you want but if im fighting you to the death ill damn well make sure you are dead. I dont want you jumping back on your feet and gunning me down as i walk away. Its clearly meant to be a move for the less inteligent enemy - hence it working in PvE and not PvP.
Shut up!!!
are u a Smuggler? do u was a Smuggler over a year?? did your stupid BH Profession get screwed many times before?? do u know what a smuggler can do now??? Nothing! Nothing sir our Profession is useless, we can't smuggle, we can use fight toooooooooo weak for that, we can't sell spice (chef buff are better) we can only sell FP to the poeple with millions in thei bank because FP is more than expansive!!!
nerfherder321
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:39 pm
#216
Tepic_Sand wrote:
This is a great change and I cant see why people are complaining. Feign Death - you are faking death in order to try and escape death....this will only work as long as you are fighting a stupid opponent, which is not the case in PvP. You can flop around and fall over all you want but if im fighting you to the death ill damn well make sure you are dead. I dont want you jumping back on your feet and gunning me down as i walk away. Its clearly meant to be a move for the less inteligent enemy - hence it working in PvE and not PvP.
we are smugglers, if you do it right you can fool them, but you know if people just fall down dead, thats a cause for alarm. we need these kinds of tactics to get out of dangerous situations. but well it seems that we are always given a bad name with everything... we are almost completely useless and it is not us, but the people who decide to use it for stupid reasons like gunning them down. if you are in a major battle everywhere where people are dropping like flies, would you notice if one of them appears to have...died mysteriously? regardless... they could have fixed it, yet they decided to nerf it.
Starscream1
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:42 pm
#217
Tepic_Sand wrote:
This is a great change and I cant see why people are complaining. Feign Death - you are faking death in order to try and escape death....this will only work as long as you are fighting a stupid opponent, which is not the case in PvP. You can flop around and fall over all you want but if im fighting you to the death ill damn well make sure you are dead. I dont want you jumping back on your feet and gunning me down as i walk away. Its clearly meant to be a move for the less inteligent enemy - hence it working in PvE and not PvP.
Outstanding post, my sentiments 100%. This was a change to take away the invuln button in PvP as JustG said.For all those complaining about this change,face it, no profession should have an instant invulnerability button in PvP.And, if I understand this change completely, it will continue to work exactly as before in PvE; it will cause the MOB to stop its attack until you stand up again. GREAT FIX.
DrevenStrobe
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:46 pm
#218
*wanders off to remove FD from his hotkey bar*
Ok...so that leaves me with Low Blow and Last Ditch as my rewards for all of the hard-earned Pistol XP I gained to become a Smuggler...so, which one of them is going next? Somebody wanna complain about Last Ditch's 6x damage modifier? How about Low Blow's ranged KD? Come on...somebody give the devs and excuse...
All of the good that they've done in the last couple of publishes wiped away in a single, decisive stroke...
WAY TO GO, GUYS!!
/thumbsUp
/sarcasm off
NiBorg
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:48 pm
#219
As long as the dam thing works in PVE I dont care if ti doesnt work in PVP. If they break it in PVE too then you might as well just remove it and/or the entire profession from the game. As it is it's one of the only 2 things about smuggler that are of any use what so ever right now.
Keep screwing over the profession, it will give me yet another reason to free up my skill points. This profession get's absolutely 0 love from the dev's and never has from day 1.
SpaceCrazy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:49 pm
#220
Starscream1 wrote:
Outstanding post, my sentiments 100%. This was a change to take away the invuln button in PvP as JustG said. For all those complaining about this change, face it, no profession should have an instant invulnerability button in PvP.
It is not and never has been an invulerability button in PVP. It was a way to avoid, temporarily at least, dying. You could still be attacked. You could be black barred. Your armor could go from 100% to 0% while FD'd because people could still attack you. Hardly invulnerable.
I never thought the Devs would really do it....but they nerfed smuggler to take it away from Jedi.
Message Edited by SpaceCrazy on 02-18-2005 08:50 PM
LaughingWolf
Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:54 pm
#221
TheFightingCorcoran wrote:
LaughingWolf wrote:
TheFightingCorcoran wrote:
In PvE maybe?
Do I win?
(btw for you idiots who are missing the other half of your brain its effect in PvE is basically unchanged)
You know that for a fact? Saw the results of some tests? Because call us half brain idiots all you want, the fact remain, the devs never mentionned a difference between how FD work in PvP and in PvE.
I sure hope you are right and it is basically unchanged in PvE. But will take something slightly more convincing than name calling to make me believe it. Like, a quote from a Dev, or some testing reports.
Oh and btw, name calling is very weak as argumentative method.
I find one stars to be a weak arguementative method.
Believe me or not, I didn't 1 starred you. I am no one star ninja, if I had one starred you I would have said so. Of course, you can believe what you want "shrug"